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TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#265451: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:54:02 PM

My bad. Does my point stand though?

Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#265452: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:42:06 PM

Yeah, I have a feeling we're in this for the long haul.

The Republicans don't care if people live or die

The Dems may have no choice but to just give him his damn wall. We can't let him continue to hold the country hostage

Absolutely not, this feeble nonsense will clearly show Trump and the Republicans that holding the country hostage is something that works and that they should do again.

Situations like this are exactly why "we will not negotiate with terrorists" is such a good rule to have, if you give intrinsically hostile actors an inch they will invariably take a mile. Surrendering is simply not acceptable because choosing it will, in the long run, hurt far more people.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 1st 2019 at 5:43:10 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#265453: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:44:32 PM

What do you suggest we do then?

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#265454: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:46:33 PM

Hold our ground? Let Trump and his ilk be the first to cave? Hope that the shutdown will have most of the populace call for his impeachment?

TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#265455: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:46:41 PM

Wait till it backfires spectacularly on the GOP, that's what. They started it, they can own it.

Also make them have a taste of their own medicine for a change. Especially to make Cocaine Mitch look even more stupid than he is now.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Jan 1st 2019 at 5:47:43 AM

I hold the secrets of the machine.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#265456: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:47:31 PM

What do you suggest we do then?

We continue to offer the previously agreed on budget, all the harm is squarely on his head and the public can see that. Either Trump submits or he causes damage to both the nation and his chances of reelection.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 1st 2019 at 5:48:09 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#265457: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:50:25 PM

Mhm. Notice that Trump as been President for two years, and has not been getting his Wall for exactly as long, despite the fact that there was more political inclination to let him have his way then- and to boot, that was in contexts where he'd get less of the blame for a shutdown.

There's zero reason to believe that this will result in a better outcome for Trump.

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#265458: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:52:57 PM

I’m still worried that the republicans will blame the democrats for this shutdown, and their followers will believe it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#265459: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:54:18 PM

Wouldn't they do that anyway? Haven't they been doing that for every shutdown or almost shutdown for however long since this has become almost a tradition?

Edited by LSBK on Jan 1st 2019 at 4:55:04 AM

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#265460: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:55:20 PM

There's little risk of that happening while Trump proudly crows about how the shutdown is 100% his doing. Which is what makes this shutdown different from the others- Trump has cleverly side-stepped the usual squabbling about who people should blame for it.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#265461: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:56:16 PM

I’m still worried that the republicans will blame the democrats for this shutdown, and their followers will believe it.

Why though? They were always going to blame the Democrats, their opinion is irrelevant.

What matters is what the General Public as a whole thinks, and Trump has been nice enough to broadcast his responsibility.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#265462: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:57:35 PM

Incidentally, Trump Invites Congressional Leaders For Talks As Shutdown Continues.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#265463: Jan 1st 2019 at 2:59:33 PM

[up]x5 Have you not been reading the twits tweets that have been plastered all over CNN/MSNBC/et al? (not that I could blame you) He's already screeching about how the shutdown is totally the Dems' fault because they're not bending over and giving him everything he wants plus a blow job (you're welcome). If they let "WHAT WILL THE TRUMP VOTERS THINK" stop them, nothing will get done.

EDIT: So much [nja]

Edited by Reflextion on Jan 1st 2019 at 6:03:39 AM

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#265464: Jan 1st 2019 at 3:02:50 PM

Well, call me a crank, but I am far more interested in what Evil Turtle, Evil Wannabe Turtle, Pelosi and Schumer do - as well as Trump when he's meeting one or several of them - than in what is posted in Trump's Twitter feed as these are the things that actually matter.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#265465: Jan 1st 2019 at 3:09:05 PM

Is "For the People" the Democrats new tagline? Pelosi put it at the end of her response to Trump. That is so much better that "Better Deal" or whatever New Deal knock-off they were going with earlier.

Feels nice to have Lincoln on our side.

Incidentally, today is the 156th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#265466: Jan 1st 2019 at 3:57:40 PM

If it is, it's a good one. For one, it contains three words, but it also addresses the voters directly. All voters. Hope they use it.

Oruka Since: Dec, 2018
#265467: Jan 1st 2019 at 3:57:44 PM

"Congratulations, slaves in secessionist States, you're free to revolt behind enemy lines and risk your lives to help us set you free. Slaves in loyal slave States, you're gonna have to wait a bit... to become debt-shackled sharecroppers!"

John Laurens would have been so proud his tactics were taken up on a large scale. Never was there a more uplifting moment to slaves everywhere since Simon Bolivar's "you should be free and I'll get on that as soon as it's convenient" or Toussaint L'Ouverture's "you're free citizens, but you will stay on those plantations and grow our cash crop or else".

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#265468: Jan 1st 2019 at 3:58:26 PM

[up][up][up] To be fair, I’m pretty sure the New Deal aped Teddy Roosevelt’s Square Deal first.

That said, “A better Deal” is still not a great name however.

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 1st 2019 at 7:02:02 AM

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#265469: Jan 1st 2019 at 3:59:02 PM

It isnt a question of whether the Republicans cave in, it's a question of when, and with what deal. They've lost this one, barring some spectacularly bad play by the Dems.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#265470: Jan 1st 2019 at 4:08:17 PM

Why does Mitch McConnell get called "Evil Turtle"? I've seen a pic of him, and I don't really see what resemblance he bears to a turtle.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#265471: Jan 1st 2019 at 4:12:06 PM

Some people have drawn comparisons between his face and that of a turtle.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#265472: Jan 1st 2019 at 4:17:36 PM

... I guess he kinda does? It's a stretch IMO, though.

Edited by MarqFJA on Jan 1st 2019 at 3:17:47 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#265474: Jan 1st 2019 at 4:57:21 PM

Frankly, I think he resembles more the Faceless from XCOM 2.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#265475: Jan 1st 2019 at 4:59:07 PM

[up][up]I do believe the electorate used every middle finger when "saluting" the GOP. Dunno why.


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