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#265426: Jan 1st 2019 at 11:45:28 AM

I'd say they get bigger the longer the Shutdown goes.

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#265427: Jan 1st 2019 at 11:45:58 AM

If the shutdown goes on for long enough, maybe enough Republicans in the House will vote with the Democrats to override a veto of a clean funding bill. But I doubt that Mitch and nearly 20 other GOP Senators would go along with it, they can't afford to have their base revolt like that.

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Imca (Veteran)
#265428: Jan 1st 2019 at 11:46:45 AM

TBH I can see it happening right at the end of january, where the threat of democrats taking seat in house gets the republicians to pass a comprimise bill that gets enough dems to overide.

Dems don't want to continue letting people get screwed over by the shutdown, republicans know that they will go from little leverage to no leverage.

But I dont see the odds as that high, and the window would be slim.

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#265429: Jan 1st 2019 at 11:51:53 AM

[up]The Dems take the House this Thursday.

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#265430: Jan 1st 2019 at 11:55:40 AM

[up] I think [up]x3 meant the Senate. The real problem is, McConnel won't allow a vote for any bill that will not pass Trump's desk, even if Majorities in Congress are demanding it, because McConnel is tying his lot (and the lot of the Republicans) with Trump. So even if you had enough votes to pass it in the Senate and to override a Veto from Trump, McConnel won't allow it to be voted on in the first place.

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#265431: Jan 1st 2019 at 11:57:17 AM

Question....can the Senate Majority Leader also table a vote on who's gonna be Majority leader?

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#265432: Jan 1st 2019 at 11:59:19 AM

Evil Turtle has said that he is not ready to forward appropriation bills that don't have Trump's support. For now - given that the support for The Wall is tepid even among Republicans in Congress (compare 2017) and also among their voters, if this drags on for a year or so then you may get enough senators to override a veto. In fact, I suspect it's the House that will be the bigger hurdle in an override - Evil Turtle is his own agent, but I am not sure if McCarthy is.

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#265433: Jan 1st 2019 at 12:00:58 PM

[up] If this drags on for a year, it'll probably cause an outright Depression if not a Recession. Especially if Trump allows other parts of the Government to go unfunded for his precious 'border wall'.

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#265434: Jan 1st 2019 at 12:04:17 PM

If I remember correctly, the parts currently not on Shutdown are funded until 2020

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#265435: Jan 1st 2019 at 12:11:35 PM

Aye, last year Congress got most appropriations bills passed. I am not actually sure which departments don't have an appropriation bill yet, but I know that a) Homeland Security is one of the ones not yet funded and b) a continuing partial government shutdown won't impact the economy much, much less cause a recession or depression.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#265436: Jan 1st 2019 at 12:13:13 PM

It would likely give investors a scare though.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#265437: Jan 1st 2019 at 12:13:41 PM

Justice and Interior are also shut down.

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#265438: Jan 1st 2019 at 12:29:20 PM

McConnell is a monster.

He'll let the shut down continue no matter how many people are hurt.

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#265439: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:04:19 PM

Yeah, I have a feeling we're in this for the long haul.

The Republicans don't care if people live or die

The Dems may have no choice but to just give him his damn wall. We can't let him continue to hold the country hostage

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 1st 2019 at 3:04:31 AM

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#265440: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:04:35 PM

While it would severely damage the American Economy, a shutdown going on that long would effectively wipe out all chances of a Republican Victory in the upcoming General Election.

Mostly because I can't imagine all those Government Employees and their friends and their family are going to be pleased with the GOP for screwing them out of their hard-earned pay. And Trump's base of neo-Nazis and White Supremacists are very likely to sit at home in disillusionment if he fails (which is far more likely now than previously).

Either way, only the Democrats are winning this round. Unless they do something stupid and cave in at the last moment to Cocaine Mitch and his gang (the so-called "Freedom" Caucus). Fortunately, that possibility seems remote at this time.

EDIT: [up] They shouldn't give him one rusty cent. If the GOP wants to play dirty, let them start first and look bad. There's no reason for the Democrats to look weak - plus it would enrage their voterbase if they caved, effectively handing 2020 back to Trump.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Jan 1st 2019 at 4:06:04 AM

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#265441: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:14:51 PM

Yes, unless the Democrats have a way of getting around Trump, he will not cave on this no matter how many people suffer.

This is a serious crisis.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 1st 2019 at 1:15:01 AM

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#265442: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:18:57 PM

The only way this shutdown ends is if Trump somehow finds a way to cave while making it look like a victory for him.

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#265443: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:20:12 PM

If the shutdown lasts longer than a few weeks, it will start to impact the economy. The longest shutdown ever was 21 days. Letting it go on for months would be disasterous for whichever party gets the blame, so that is very unlikely to happen. Right now this is "Trump's Shutdown", so the Dems have no reason to end it. The most likely outcome is that the Reps in the Senate cave, they throw a few bucks at border security as a facesaving gesture, the Dems agree to that, and Trump gets a phone call from one of his creditors telling him whats what, and he signs. The question is how long before that happens.

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#265444: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:20:16 PM

I think long-term, yes, having the Dems not cave and Trump continue this shutdown may be the only sane choice. Yes, it's gonna hurt. A lot.

But.

Trump is the kind of people, that if he learns that if he takes people hostage like that he will try again. Especially since now the Dems have actual options with the House to rein him in on other things.

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Imca (Veteran)
#265445: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:27:15 PM

To be honest, people being hurt was expected the moment the results came in on November 8th 2016.... The question was how bad, and how many were going to die from it.

But this was a forgone conclusion, and I am surprised we have made it this far with the only the amount of damage we have had.

....

Which says a lot given what that damage is, and I am not downplaying it, just.... yea...

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#265446: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:34:09 PM

Neither am I saying letting it continue is 'good'. But it's quite possibly the lesser evil.

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#265447: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:35:31 PM

My (probably bad) instinct would be to offer Trump a budget that gives him less of what he wants every day the shut-down goes on. And preface every budget with 'but I'm sure you're smart enough to know that the Wall was never going to happen anyway'.

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#265448: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:36:35 PM

@Septimus Heap: The DoHS isn't being funded? There is definitely something to smear in Republican's faces, since they're the ones who like to tout their support for the military and such.

[up] But he's not.

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Jan 1st 2019 at 4:38:01 AM

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#265449: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:37:39 PM

Eh, would be satisfying, but I feel a polite "This is it and we're not budging" is gonna play better on the PR side. The Dems playing this "In sorrow, not in anger" makes it harder to deflect the Shutdown on them.

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#265450: Jan 1st 2019 at 1:47:15 PM

Military is DOD, not DoHS, and it's worth noting that border security is an "excepted" activity so its employees still have to do unpaid work.

Interestingly, back in March there was discussion (by Senate Democrats apparently) to trade border wall funding against a DACA bill but Trump apparently didn't accept the offer. Now he won't get anything except in exchange for far more concessions, which would never pass the Senate even if Trump theoretically were to pony them up tomorrow.

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