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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#265326: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:10:58 AM

Actress and activist who brought #Me Too! to the mainstream via Twitter.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#265327: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:12:47 AM

Actress who has already been in the business as a child, mostly known for growing up in front of the eyes of the audience in "who's the boss" (or however the show was called in the US), tried a few smaller movies, then starred in the series Charmed. I guess she is currently busy with her family, because after Charmed she mostly turns up as a guest judge in various reality shows, most of the time pregnant.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#265328: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:23:32 AM

So, reading the linked article...what I see is a black woman starting a movement, a reasonable famous actress using a hashtag with the same name to promote the same idea, and once said famous actress learned that said movement existed, she reached out and helped to amplify those voices as much as she could.

This is a little bit a chicken/egg thing...Alyssa Milano got the attention because she is famous, but there are way less famous actresses who are Black because of racism in the movie industry, so basically a white person had to speak up before there was any attention drawn to an important idea. This also makes my point, though, that a lot of white activists are more than ready to listen to activists of colour. It is not really Alyssa's Milano's fault that she got the attention which was beforehand denied, but naturally she can take advantage of a system which favours her at least in some regards.

Or do I miss something here?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#265329: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:38:59 AM

Senator Warren is forming an exploratory committee, in an obvious move towards running for the 2020 nomination.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/politics/elizabeth-warren-exploratory-committee-2020/index.html

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#265330: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:41:36 AM

The NY Times didn't even bother calling it a move, they just flat declared she's running now.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#265331: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:51:56 AM

I am a little wary of Warren running for president. As noted here, [1], here and here, she's a Senator who was up for reelection this year and in 2018 there were candidates who performed better than expected (Bernie Sanders foremost, but also Amy Klobuchar) and candidates who performed worse than expected and Warren wasn't just an underperformer, she was the worst performer. Now Massachusetts is a deep blue state and this made the difference in the end, but in Colorado, Nevada, Pennsylvania etc.?

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Dec 31st 2018 at 1:49:16 PM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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A procrastination in of itself
#265332: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:01:43 AM

I do also worry if Warren will suffer from Clinton syndrome, in that she’s been a very obvious candidate for a while now and as such is already the ongoing target on a ton of Republican/Russian propaganda. The Republicans/Russians are already hard at work getting their narrative about her accepted by the public at large, that could do some serious damage.

I’m a fan of her ideas however, so there’s a part of me that hops she will push the platform leftward and maybe drop out around the middle, thus throwing the Russian/Republican propaganda machine off focus.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#265333: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:09:24 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] The whole point is that black women are constantly ignored in favor of white women. Their voices are always shut down, while white women are at least always heard. While Alyssa Milano might have acknowledged Burke and her having actually started it, the vast majority of other people-whether it's other women speaking out or the media-have not. These articles from The Root, an African-American news site, explain both Me Too and white feminism in greater detail:

Newsflash: It’s Not the First Anniversary of #MeToo. It’s the First Anniversary of the World Giving A Damn.

The Cover That Time Forgot: Why We’re Placing #MeToo’s Tarana Burke Front and Center.

We Get It. It’s Harvey Weinstein’s News Cycle. But What About Our Black Girls?

Is the #MeToo Movement Ignoring Poor Black Women and Girls? Founder Tarana Burke Seems to Think So.

White Woman #101: Believe It or Not, Rose McGowan Is a Member of #MeToo, Not Its Messiah.

#SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen, Part 2: On Rose McGowan and the Continued Failure of White Feminism.

Ain’t I a Woman? The Unbearable Whiteness of Allies.

Looks Like Rose McGowan Is Finally Getting That Oppression She's Been Looking For.

Edited by SciFiSlasher on Dec 31st 2018 at 10:09:56 AM

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#265334: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:19:10 AM

There was also some degree of hypocrisy among the #Me Too! movements white women when it came to Asia Argento being a sexual assaulter herself (especially since she was another founder of the movement) and that when it it came out, instead of acting immediately, a lot of the white women of the movement said not to be "too hasty" when it came to the allegations...

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#265335: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:25:46 AM

Strictly speaking, the discussion on racism in womens' movements should probably happen in the Racism and/or Womens' Issues thread.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#265336: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:42:41 AM

Well, the good thing is that for all the digging the Republicans did on Warren, the only thing they got so far was the whole native American heritage thing. If they had more, they would have already pulled it.

The bad thing is that Warren comes off as someone who had a lot of advantages is life. She will have a hard time convincing working class voters that she is not a "democrat shill".

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#265337: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:45:17 AM

Warren has way less negative coverage than Clinton did at this point in an election cycle. Moreover, even if she's declared early, she's still just one of many potential candidates, as opposed to the obvious party choice Clinton shaped up to be.

Right now I'm more amused by the fact that a year ago whenever Warren was floated as a potential candidate, the usual response was "She doesn't want to and she feels she's more useful in the Senate." Time sure flies.

DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016
#265338: Dec 31st 2018 at 9:23:22 AM

[up][up]

I'm obviously not as informed on American politics as I would like, but I doubt that the Democrats picking a Harvard Law professor is going to send any message other than "we're still obviously the party of the professional-managerial class, everyone else can be campaign fodder".

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#265339: Dec 31st 2018 at 9:24:27 AM

Well, here's a bad way for someone to finish off the year:

Leaked audio of Louis CK mocking Parkland survivors, LGBTQ teens surfaces.

Oooh, boy.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#265340: Dec 31st 2018 at 9:25:51 AM

"You pushed some fat kid in the way and now I gotta listen to you talking?"

Jesus fuck.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#265341: Dec 31st 2018 at 9:28:17 AM

*whistles*

You know, when the stuff about him sexually harassing women came out like a year ago, I wasn't surprised because a lot of his stand-up is about how he's a terrible person, so I just thought "Yeah, that sounds like something he'd do". This, though... I'm genuinely speechless.

i'm tired, my friend
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#265342: Dec 31st 2018 at 9:29:55 AM

In hindsight his jokes about being an awful person probably were not jokes.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#265343: Dec 31st 2018 at 9:36:31 AM

I hope this destroys whatever remains of his career. Yikes.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#265344: Dec 31st 2018 at 9:43:46 AM

Waiting for the "It was taken out context I was joking" defence that typical appears after stuff like this emerges"

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#265345: Dec 31st 2018 at 9:48:30 AM

Louis CK is a depressed deeply broken individual....which goes to show you that's still not an excuse to be a shitty person.

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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#265346: Dec 31st 2018 at 10:04:43 AM

The most depressing part is that an audience is really heard laughing in those clips.sad

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#265347: Dec 31st 2018 at 10:26:36 AM

So is this gonna be like Kevin Hart and most of the so-called "liberal" comedians are going to be defending him to the death 'cause "In comedy, nothing is sacred"?

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#265348: Dec 31st 2018 at 10:36:10 AM

Oh boy, what did Kevin hart do?

i'm tired, my friend
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#265349: Dec 31st 2018 at 10:37:02 AM

This is on completely different scale to Ken Hart,

[up] Made Anti gay tweets that people found,was going to host the Oscars but now he's not over not saying sorry

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 31st 2018 at 6:38:00 PM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#265350: Dec 31st 2018 at 10:48:11 AM

Oh I agree it is different.

Perhaps CK has realized, now that the left has abandoned him, he needs to pander to the right wing if he wants to stay relevant? Watch him become a darling of the GOP now

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