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#265276: Dec 30th 2018 at 11:53:09 AM

My take, as shallow and uninformed as it is from my limited information, is that it feels a lot like "Nice idea, but the greater implications had not been thought through"

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#265277: Dec 30th 2018 at 11:58:50 AM

My take, as shallow and uninformed as it is from my limited information, is that it feels a lot like "Nice idea, but the greater implications had not been thought through"

Normally I would agree with you but considering that the Women's march leadership has connections to hatemongers who are transphobic amongst other things (the Nation of Islam) I'm not really interested in giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Normally it would probably just be a poorly thought out mistake but considering the people in question, I fully believe that there's a good chance it was something uglier.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 30th 2018 at 2:59:03 PM

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#265278: Dec 30th 2018 at 12:04:29 PM

I meant with that more the creators of the Hat, not the Women's March Organizers.

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#265279: Dec 30th 2018 at 12:05:31 PM

Oh, fair enough then.

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#265280: Dec 30th 2018 at 12:22:43 PM

The color pink was chosen "because pink is associated with femininity," the Pussyhat Project posted on its website. "We did not choose the color pink as a representation of some people’s anatomy. Anyone who supports women’s rights is welcome to wear a Pussyhat. It does not matter if you have a vulva or what color your vulva may be. If a participant wants to create a Pussyhat that reflects the color of her vulva, we support her choice."

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#265281: Dec 30th 2018 at 12:51:36 PM

Some of the organizers refused to denounce Loiuse Ferakhan because he helps fund their non profits. Its not that they themelves made anti semetic statements. One could argue that they should seek funds elsewhere, but thats hardly a reason to dismiss the entire march.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#265282: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:06:07 PM

Can't link anything right now, but John Kelly gave an interview and A) Blamed Sessions for separating families at the border and B) Essentially said this year could have been a lot worse without him controlling Trump as much as possible.

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#265283: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:19:52 PM

Cynical me says blame shifting/blame game and selfpromotion, respectively.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#265284: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:20:56 PM

I mean, he gave the order to let the troops at the border use lethal force if necessary. So.

Edited by kkhohoho on Dec 30th 2018 at 4:21:06 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#265285: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:22:22 PM

Frankly...I kind of don't see the problem with the hats. Just change the shape a little bit to make it clearer that they are supposed to be cat shaped and nobody will be confused anymore. I really don't see how you can look at those things and think "white woman's vagina" and not "clever wordplay, direct reference to the Hollywood access tape and happens to be pink because pink is traditionally a girly colour". But if people jump to the conclusion, just make the reference a little bit clearer. You can even do them in different colours and add a pink bow to bring the point across clearer. Problem solved.

Edited by Swanpride on Dec 30th 2018 at 2:23:25 AM

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#265286: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:25:57 PM

Change the colour to blue and dont call them pussy hats

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#265287: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:28:38 PM

I am sure someone will find a way to take offence to blue, too. It would, without a doubt, happen because there's always people who won't take anything less than their ceasing to exist as a suitable apology.

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#265288: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:31:55 PM

The Women's March has also been heavily criticized for shutting down the voices of women of color and trans women. This piece from Wear Your Voice, an intersectional feminist site, explains it: White Feminists, We Can Still See Your Cis White Supremacy Under Your Pink Pussy Hats.

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#265289: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:33:25 PM

So, just to say: the Hats were an issue of discontent, not the issue.

Edited by 3of4 on Dec 30th 2018 at 11:33:35 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#265290: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:33:45 PM

Just a suggestion: How about the woman of colour are creating their own symbol to allow marchers to show solidarity with them?

[up] Yes, and if there is an issue with the organisers, it should be addressed. But it is kind of unfair to accuse woman who decide to don the pussy hat as a symbol against Trump "you don't march for me". Because I bet most of them march for women in general. They might not have the specific problems of black woman in mind, but the right way to address this is NOT to attack them, it's to talk to them.

Edited by Swanpride on Dec 30th 2018 at 2:36:13 AM

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#265291: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:50:03 PM

Or to recreate the Life of Brian scene that in turn is a reference to British Labour/general left politics at the time: We ARE Struggling Together.

Edited by RainehDaze on Dec 30th 2018 at 10:50:51 AM

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#265292: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:01:16 PM

Hell, this is the first time I heard of it. People will make an issue out of anything. Either that, or everything is an elephant in the room.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#265293: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:02:17 PM

The article raises some valid points, but it seemed like the writer was making some unnecessary assumptions when they could stuck to concrete things that happened to make their point.

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#265294: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:14:22 PM

I always thought that the vagina hats are embarrassing even before I heard the anti-trans accusations. Then I heard Ferkhan talk and I got enraged. What a fucking asshole. While apparently not everyone in charge of the Women's March has failed to denounce him, the March as a whole is tainted by association as a failed attempt to be woke.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#265295: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:42:32 PM

They aren't vagina hats. They are Pussy hats. or, to be clearer, pink cat hats.

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#265297: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:57:07 PM

All this time I thought they were just girly hats. Maybe the rock I'm living under is worth a fortune in real estate.

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#265298: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:58:52 PM

yes but pussy is a crude way of referring to a vagina and Trump said something grabbing a pussy so the hats are in direct reference to that,thus they are vagina hats

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#265299: Dec 30th 2018 at 4:03:19 PM

Puns are a thing.

Edited by Ramidel on Dec 30th 2018 at 3:03:34 AM

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#265300: Dec 30th 2018 at 4:05:37 PM

Granted it's a pun but it's not a great one

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