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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#265226: Dec 29th 2018 at 9:30:02 AM

Trump signs EO freezing the Federal Employee's pay raise that was due to effect in January

Well, he said he'd run the Government like he did his businesses. Screwing over the people working for him.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#265227: Dec 29th 2018 at 9:43:03 AM

[up] something else for Democrats to run on I guess.

As someone who has actually looked at jobs in Public Service, and who’s dream (if unlikely) job would probably be Park Ranger, this is disheartening.

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 29th 2018 at 12:47:45 PM

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#265228: Dec 29th 2018 at 9:53:47 AM

The move does not affect a 2.6% pay increase for US troops next year that was passed as part of the massive defense spending bill Trump signed in August.
You're only worthy of a pay raise if you're part of the military. Got it.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#265229: Dec 29th 2018 at 10:03:24 AM

Oh it's not even that.

Trump keeps lying to their faces and saying they've gotten a 10% one.

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#265230: Dec 29th 2018 at 10:05:39 AM

While he doesn't run Blackwater/Academi anymore (they're under Constellis Holdings), he is working with the Chinese and allegedly some Gulf states as well in Yemen (don't know if there was any concrete proof of it).
Nothing alleged about that. He set up a new PMC in the UAE that specifically hires its mercs on the criteria that 1) they're not Arab note , and 2) they're not Muslims. It's plainly obvious why: The UAE wants them as a reliable tool of suppression against its own citizens (who are mainly Arabs and Muslims) should they protest against their regime.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#265231: Dec 29th 2018 at 1:19:16 PM

Welp, screwing over all those federal employees should (further) secure Virginia for the Dems at least.

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#265232: Dec 29th 2018 at 1:31:22 PM

Something to consider,food for thought but could the yellow vest movement spread to America? I know there have been movements in the past like Occupy Wallstreet,and these Government shutdowns are screwing over a lot of people,so you have more ample reasons for protests

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#265233: Dec 29th 2018 at 1:38:13 PM

[up] Sadly, America doesn't have a real history with Radical Socialist Movements akin to the Yellow Vests and Sans-culottes that France has. Any Socialist Movement in the United States has always been overly pacifist and usually confined only to the poor in the Cities. There's also the problem that in America, the Poor that would benefit the most from a Yellow Vest movement would be the ones to side with the Republicans and the Trumpeteers, not the Democrats.

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#265234: Dec 29th 2018 at 1:45:26 PM

No the poor by and large hate Trump and Republicans barring some demographics in the South.

It's middle class and upper middle class people who think of themselves as the working class that vote Republican.

Oh really when?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#265235: Dec 29th 2018 at 1:50:54 PM

I don't think that having a yellow vest movement is that desirable.

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#265236: Dec 29th 2018 at 1:58:37 PM

Mandatory Disclaimer: The Yellow Vests are not Left-Wing. They are largely an amalgamation of both people from the Left and Right fringe who find common ground to try and essentially force their demands through.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#265237: Dec 29th 2018 at 1:59:10 PM

Riots aren't useful to establishing dialogue,same goes with the looting and rampant law breaking that follows,on that we all agree,however,a protest movement if well organised can lead to change

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Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 29th 2018 at 9:59:31 AM

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#265238: Dec 29th 2018 at 2:04:02 PM

It should be remembered that the biggest change in American Society was brought about by the Civil Rights Movement, which was (for the most part) entirely pacifistic.

Militant fury generally results in people digging in their heels and doing nothing while making the situation a whole lot worse. Only time it's justifiable (and in most cases it isn't) is if the Government itself is so boneheaded and vicious that nothing short of Militant Fury will force it to change, usually by overthrow.

That situation does not exist in France, nor in America. So those Gillets-Jaunes might have legitimate grievances, but their unruly mob-like approach isn't going to win them any favours.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#265239: Dec 29th 2018 at 2:14:05 PM

The movement is also already loosing steam, participation is going down.

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#265240: Dec 29th 2018 at 2:24:03 PM

I recall the police threatened to join them at one point but they eventually got the government to agree to their demands,wouldn't suprise if thats the main reason why the protests are winding down,people protested and got what they wanted and the ones remaining aren't the ones that started the movement

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#265242: Dec 29th 2018 at 2:51:23 PM

The consequences are dire, though. If Macron ever had a chance to get Germany to agree to his ideas for Eurozone reforms, he now lost it as a consequence of the agreements he made to calm down the protesters, because they will lead to France breaking the stability agreement AGAIN.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#265243: Dec 29th 2018 at 3:16:19 PM

I think this is getting off topic...

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#265244: Dec 29th 2018 at 3:22:32 PM

Getting back on topic,continual Government shut downs and a bad President justify protest,and while it's unlikely to be like the Yellow vest movement something could come of it,the question,what form would this hypothetical movement take?

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#265245: Dec 29th 2018 at 3:35:25 PM

Try this out: Indivisible

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#265246: Dec 29th 2018 at 4:11:59 PM

Ummm no I'm in England I'm not looking to join any protest groups!

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#265247: Dec 29th 2018 at 4:15:09 PM

[up] It’s still worth checking out. It would need to be adjusted a bit, but it still has a ton of good information on how to hold your elected officials accountable and listening to their consituents.

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 29th 2018 at 7:18:35 AM

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#265248: Dec 29th 2018 at 4:21:18 PM

[up][up]He's not suggesting you join up, he's answering your question. What would this hypothetical protest movement look like? It would look like the Indivisible movement.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#265249: Dec 29th 2018 at 4:34:22 PM

Right,but he didn't actually answer my question he linked to site without any explanation

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#265250: Dec 29th 2018 at 4:59:22 PM

What explanation do you need? When you say "what form would it take" what exactly were you asking?

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