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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#264976: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:37:12 PM

I can't really bring myself to put Another One Bites the Dust in this thread again (WRT the Mattis firing). The current situation in this Administration looks more like Yakety Sax.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#264977: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:38:29 PM

[up]He was resigning anyway. Not to mention he already got fired yesterday.

Edited by kkhohoho on Dec 24th 2018 at 3:50:31 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#264978: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:40:53 PM

I was thinking more of a sad trombone

[up][up]

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 24th 2018 at 1:41:10 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#264979: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:43:45 PM

At this point, can't agree even if Mattis was the Only Sane Man in the administration. The Trump White House is simply not somewhere you can expect to stay long.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#264980: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:53:01 PM

It just occurred to me... Trump basically pulled a "You can't quit, I'm firing you!" on Mattis.

I'd call it something, but any comparison would invariably be an Insult to Rocks.

[down]

Well, he was an exec at Boeing, so does being part of the Military-Industrial Complex count as military experience?

Edited by ironballs16 on Dec 24th 2018 at 4:57:37 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#264981: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:54:42 PM

Shanahan will take over the government's largest and most complex agency with no military or foreign policy experience.

I mean, he at least sounds like he won't be the worst SOD ever. But shouldn't someone in that sort of position have at least some sort of military or foreign policy experience?

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#264982: Dec 24th 2018 at 2:19:15 PM

Trump's picking a fight with the Federal Reserve. And of course the stock market's not doing well.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#264983: Dec 24th 2018 at 2:26:25 PM

What that article on Mattis told me is that Trump tweeted his acceptance of Mattis' resignation before he even read the letter.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#264984: Dec 24th 2018 at 2:33:51 PM

What his mechanism of firing Mattis tells me that Pompeo now has to shedule meetings with other members of Cabinet every time with a

"P.S. I'm not coming to tell you the President fired you."

"You can reply to this Message!"
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#264985: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:33:46 PM

@HallowHawk: What, pray tell, is your problem? Everything that I said in that post was perfectly reasonable and in fact is what a realist would be doing: Try to solve things peacefully, but be ready for war and bloodshed when needed because sadly, it will be needed to deal with warmongers and other enemies of peace who will emerge sooner or later, somewhere or the other.

Just in case it wasn't clear, I do not take unjustified threats well. At all. So please cease such actions immediately.

@DingoWalley1: ... You do realize that Charles was basically saying "I'm a pacifist but I still oppose withdrawal of our forces so abruptly because even I recognize that doing so will lead to far more bad than good"? Because it seemed to me that you think he's saying something else entirely.

NORAD confirmed its Santa Tracker will remain operation despite the partial government shutdown.
... Wait, what? <googles> ... WTF??? [lol] Why the hell did this become a thing?! How much money do they spend maintaining this charade?

Trump complained that he is "all alone (poor me)" in the White House as the government entered its third day of a partial shutdown and the markets continued to tank.
<gives Trump the middle finger with both hands> Suffer more for all the misery you've heaped upon this world.

Experts say Trump most likely does not have the authority to remove Powell.
... Why the uncertainty on whether he's legally able to do that?

Trump directed Mike Pompeo to fire Jim Mattis after the defense secretary had already resigned. Trump tweeted that Mattis was retiring "with distinction" at the end of February, but after reading the general's resignation letter, Trump announced that he was removing Mattis from his post by Jan. 1 – two months before the defense secretary had planned to depart.
Hold the phone! Since when did the Secretary of State have the authority to fire the Secretary of Defense?!

It just occurred to me... Trump basically pulled a "You can't quit, I'm firing you!" on Mattis.
Or rather, he pulled a "You can't quit and insult me in your resignation letter, I'm firing you!" on him.

Edited by MarqFJA on Dec 24th 2018 at 2:34:32 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
tsstevens Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did from Reading tropes such as Righting Great Wrongs Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did
#264986: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:38:14 PM

So if I understand right the idea of Trump supporters threatening civil war in the event of impeechment is being unreasonable. That's sort of the expert opinion, it would never happen?

Hold my beer and watch this.

Edited by tsstevens on Dec 24th 2018 at 10:40:32 PM

Currently reading up My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#264987: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:41:53 PM

[up] What is it?

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 24th 2018 at 4:42:25 AM

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#264988: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:42:08 PM

Let them try to start shit. They wouldn't last long.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#264989: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:42:47 PM

@Marq, Pompeo can't fire Cabinet members, but with Kelly on the way out he could be the one delivering the news to them (when they don't get it from Cheeto's Twitter feed).

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#264990: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:43:56 PM

Trump can say whatever the hell he wants but his core supporters are small in number and have no ability to wage or sustain even a respectable insurgency, let alone a civil war.

No portion of the military hierarchy has any loyalty to Trump and without that any prospective coup or war is completely dead on arrival.

You need to seriously quit it with this crap. It's getting kind of irritating.

Also there's rules against just posting videos with no real explanation of their contents instead of making an argument or an actual post.

Edited by LeGarcon on Dec 24th 2018 at 6:45:04 AM

Oh really when?
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#264991: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:45:25 PM

You think that'll stop them from trying?

i'm tired, my friend
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#264992: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:49:17 PM

Can we not do the Civil War discussion again? It's been around often enough and it's usually just goes like this:

A:"Trumpists will start a civil war!"

B,C,D:"Hah this will never work because of X"

and repeat for a page or so <.<

It has about as much discussion worth as a Prawn Cracker has nutritional value.

Edited by 3of4 on Dec 24th 2018 at 12:50:26 PM

"You can reply to this Message!"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#264993: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:52:25 PM

[up][up]Considering how many of them today are actually just middle class white suburban folks? Yeah probably.

They have no organization, no weaponry, no intelligence gathering, no discrepancy or subterfuge or training.

I don't think people realize that the kind of efforts and materiel needed to sustain even a modest insurgency movement are pretty huge and the amount of inertia and planning required are things they needed to start doing years ago.

And that's just a terrorist cell, anything resembling a civil war is going to require significant pluralities of the standing military and a great number of the officer makeup as well to wage any sort of actual movement or coup.

Basically if they wanted to have a civil war or an insurgency before Trump's out of office they missed the window to start planning a coup years ago. Anything that anyone tries can be dealt with by local police.

And that's not even getting into the weaponry situation.

Edited by LeGarcon on Dec 24th 2018 at 6:58:40 AM

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#264994: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:54:01 PM

Worse they could do is Oklahoma City style attacks, and even then they'd be working in a post 9/11 security situation.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
tsstevens Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did from Reading tropes such as Righting Great Wrongs Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did
#264995: Dec 24th 2018 at 4:47:28 PM

Promise not one more word on revolt but can we at least agree that US politics today makes Home Land look like a documentary in comparison? Please?

Currently reading up My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#264996: Dec 24th 2018 at 4:48:33 PM

Haven't seen it, can't say.

i'm tired, my friend
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#264997: Dec 24th 2018 at 5:21:17 PM

It really, really doesn't.

It's more like Veep than anything, except the characters in Veep had better intentions.

Edited by M84 on Dec 24th 2018 at 9:21:39 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#264998: Dec 24th 2018 at 5:32:31 PM

Homeland has the United States as the stupidly trusting and needlessly liberal nation surrounded by hundreds of evil Muslim countries out to destroy us. So....no. I don't think so.

Carrie must save us from the fact we stupidly won't bomb weddings.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#264999: Dec 24th 2018 at 6:02:02 PM

Homeland is a dumb, racist show that jumped the shark in Season 3 (2013, when it literally depicted the entire nation of Iran as evil and supporting bombings against America) and has been artificially kept alive faaaaar past its original premise of POW-turns-terrorist. The fact that its trope page has hardly been updated in the last 5 years says a lot about how much steam it has lost.

It has zero relevance to any real world politics other than any coincidental Harsher in Hindsight moments.

Edited by Alycus on Dec 24th 2018 at 6:02:53 AM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#265000: Dec 24th 2018 at 6:11:15 PM

New York State has provided the necessary funding to keep the #Statueof Liberty & #Ellis Island open during the federal government shutdown. The park remains open, but will be closing early 12/24 and closed 12/25. Check our website for modified holiday hours

Good on the state of New York.


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