TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#264376: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:50:29 AM

This is a stretching of the Constitution to say the very least and why appeals exist.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#264377: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:53:42 AM

[up][up][up]You do know appeals are a thing, right?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#264378: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:58:44 AM

As RainehDaze noted, even Republicans are apparently calling for an appeal and reversal of this ruling.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#264379: Dec 15th 2018 at 8:01:01 AM

I'm more worried about the further crippling of the bill that the Republicans in DC are going to pull in the meantime, even an injunction wouldn't stop them. This will probably take years to fully reverse, if that even happens.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#264380: Dec 15th 2018 at 8:05:51 AM

[up] They can't strip it anymore then they already have; they couldn't even kill it when they had both Chambers, the best they could do was set the Tax to 0. Doing literally anything else to the ACA would be subject to Filibuster in the Senate, and by next year they won't have the House.

So literally, the only way for all of ACA to die will be through this court ruling, and I doubt the Supreme Court will allow it to die this way even with the Tax being 0$.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#264381: Dec 15th 2018 at 8:15:51 AM

Ryan Zinke will walk the plank due to an impending criminal probe.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#264382: Dec 15th 2018 at 8:38:06 AM

Only the best people!

Edited by speedyboris on Dec 15th 2018 at 10:38:37 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#264383: Dec 15th 2018 at 9:27:32 AM

Vox has an article on the recent attempt to declare the ACA unconstitutional, The Texas ruling against Obamacare is a boon to Medicare-for-all

The argument is simply that the reason that Medicare-for-all has been becoming increasingly popular amongst the Democratic Party is that with constant Republican attacks on the ACA it's becoming increasingly clear that half-way measures are not worth it, one reason the ACA was originally supported was because Moderate Dems wouldn't accept Single Payer and Republicans might possibly accept a more market-oriented system. That has clearly shown to be a misplaced hope, Republicans will never accept any form of national healthcare single payer or otherwise.

It goes on to say that if the Republicans are successful in removing the ACA then they'll strip healthcare from millions of people which will cause them to face political devastation which could pave the way to giving the Democrats the opportunity to rebuild the healthcare system to their desires, hopefully, in the form of Medicare for All.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 15th 2018 at 12:28:23 PM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#264384: Dec 15th 2018 at 5:46:35 PM

Looking at the last few pages, I'm glad I've been ignoring this dumpster fire since the midterms. Anyways, looks like Trump and the GOP are going after Asians now, specifically Vietnamese: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/15/trump-vietnam-war-refugees-california-gop-orange-county-1066639

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#264385: Dec 15th 2018 at 6:12:46 PM

[up]Bit late on that, but yeah, Trump just wants to deport for deporting's sake, even if his party suffers for it.

TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#264386: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:00:29 PM

Wait a minute, he's trying to kick out the staunchest pro-Republican segment of the populace? The ones who fought against North Vietnam and who would almost certainly (the older ones, at any rate) be voting Republican?

If I didn't know any better, I'd say Trump's a plant to destroy the GOP from within. Or else he and his neo-Nazi fanboys are really that stupid.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Dec 15th 2018 at 10:06:42 AM

I hold the secrets of the machine.
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#264387: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:02:30 PM

Bigotry tends to overrides one's judgment.

i'm tired, my friend
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#264388: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:09:31 PM

Welp, there goes the Republicans' chance of re-taking Orange County in 2020.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#264389: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:21:54 PM

It's funny you mentioned Orange County, George Papadopoulos, Trump adviser and felon, plans Orange County congressional run in 2020

Clearly, the Republican Party's woes in Orange County are soon to come to an end. Because Trump adviser and convicted felon George Papadopoulos will be coming to the rescue! <hysterical laughter>

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#264390: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:31:49 PM

I hope for his own sake whatever he's smoking is legal.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#264391: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:32:34 PM

It's Cali, it might be.

i'm tired, my friend
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#264392: Dec 15th 2018 at 7:38:45 PM

That reminds me, Septimus mentioned that Orange County had voted for Democratic representatives but also voted for Cox, the Republican for governor. That is no longer accurate. All the most recent ballot counts I've seen have Newsom, the Democrat, win OC with 50.1% of the vote. That's as narrow as possible, sure, but it's still something.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#264393: Dec 15th 2018 at 8:40:13 PM

The GOP losing OC was next to unthinkable a few years back.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#264394: Dec 15th 2018 at 9:18:08 PM

Again, I think people need to remember Trump hates the Republican party.

More than they hate him.

Which is considerable.

A stopped clock is right twice a day and Trump IS an outsider to the GOP. Even if it's only because he doesn't give a shit if any rich person but him benefits from their corruption.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#264395: Dec 16th 2018 at 9:29:31 AM

Again, I think people need to remember Trump hates the Republican party.
... That is news to me. Why and how?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#264396: Dec 16th 2018 at 9:31:49 AM

[up][up]I don't really see any reason to believe this, he hates the establishment Republicans who fail to perfectly bend the knee but that is not the same thing as hating the Republican Party.

Honestly, this sounds dangerously close to whitewashing the Republican Party by suggesting that Trump was something forced onto them, which isn't true in the slightest.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 16th 2018 at 12:32:17 PM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#264397: Dec 16th 2018 at 9:37:50 AM

"Whitewash" is a pretty strong word to use in this context, especially considering that Trump did force himself on the party through the win in the primary.

Saying that the party is better than Trump - that on the other hand would be a whitewash as they are not really better than Individual-1 in many aspects.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#264398: Dec 16th 2018 at 9:44:21 AM

"Whitewash" is a pretty strong word to use in this context, especially considering that Trump did force himself on the party through the win in the primary.

This is exactly what I mean by whitewash, winning the primary is the exact opposite of being forced onto the party. The party's base chose him and then the politicians fell in line, there was no force involved.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#264399: Dec 16th 2018 at 9:47:04 AM

"Again, I think people need to remember Trump hates the Republican party.

More than they hate him.

Which is considerable.

A stopped clock is right twice a day and Trump IS an outsider to the GOP. Even if it's only because he doesn't give a shit if any rich person but him benefits from their corruption."

That's the nonsense Republicans themselves peddle to make themselves look better in the face of Trump. It's not reflected in reality: his decisive victory in the primaries, the base's overwhelming support of Trump, and Congress's rubberstamp regime point to the exact opposite conclusion. The fact that they're constantly in a bad place and failing is due to their fundamental incompetence.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Dec 16th 2018 at 12:47:46 PM

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#264400: Dec 16th 2018 at 9:56:32 AM

[up]That in fact just aprove what it said: Trump crush all republican who run dogwhiste by is extreme and no fuck given actitude, from onwards he pretty much made the republican is minions.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Total posts: 417,856
Top