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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Pence would be less likely to win, more buried in scandal while being less dangerous abroad and the same domestically.
Pence can’t rally the base like Trump can, Trump getting impeached would be a scandal that would engulf Pence’s presidency, Pence is mroe sane internationally and domestically he’s already getting his agenda implemented.
That’s assuming that Pence dosnt go down first anyway.
Edited by Silasw on Dec 12th 2018 at 9:53:32 AM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranPence could try to ram through more religious orders and actually "govern".
Anyhow, barring Mueller uncovering Russian payments to Republican Senators there is little way that the Senate Sycophants Conference will pony up the 20 votes to convict Trump so this whole discussion is rather moot.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI don't really see any reason to believe this, they've already lost the House and if Trump is ousted then there is a very real chance they would lose the Senate come 2020 and they'd definitely lose the Presidency.
The idea that Pence, someone who would have zero support base or legitimacy would be able to ram through effective policy while facing at least a partially hostile Congress heavily strains my suspension of disbelief. I get that Trump is supremely incompetent and thus lowers our expectations but I don't really see any reason to believe that Pence is anywhere close to being competent enough to even slightly succeed in that scenario.
The idea that Pence would be much more dangerous than Trump is just bizarre and doesn't really have much connection to reality.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 12th 2018 at 5:23:26 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI think there's this weird idea Pence is some kind of genius mastermind Fundamentalist Furher in the making. And not the incredibly unpopular ineffective failed governor of Indiana who accepted the role of Trump's VP because he literally had no other career options left.
In supervillain terms, Trump recruited the Cluemaster or Kiteman.
He's only relevant because he lucked out by attaching his star to someone with a broad support of sycophants after the rest of The Illuminati kicked him out.
There's people who think Pence is holding Trump's leash but he's not Dick Cheney, the man who is as close to a real life unfunny or cool Emperor Palpatine as exists.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 12th 2018 at 2:30:34 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I think there's this weird idea Pence is some kind of genius mastermind Fundamentalist Furher in the making. And not the incredibly unpopular ineffective failed governor of Indiana who accepted the role of Trump's VP because he literally had no other career options left.
In supervillain terms, Trump recruited the Cluemaster or Kiteman.
He's only relevant because he lucked out by attaching his star to someone with a broad support of sycophants after the rest of The Illuminati kicked him out.
There's people who think Pence is holding Trump's leash but he's not Dick Cheney, the man who is as close to a real life unfunny or cool Emperor Palpatine as exists.
Exactly.
Honestly, I think it goes back to what I said. Trump has lowered our expectations, compared to him anyone looks cool and calculated. Which leads to people inflating Pence's competence because he's smart enough to shut up and never say anything.
Pence is not harmless but he's certainly not more dangerous than Trump, especially considering that he would have zero political capital if he replaces Trump.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 12th 2018 at 5:35:46 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangSorry, but I am not willing to take such a risk. Especially since Trump, in fact, has done an immense amount of damage even without asking for House help. Executive orders for example. Or this
. Or, hey, ask a Tea Partier on his opinion on Obama's use of executive policies.
I feel this is a moot point anyway, as there is not enough support in the Senate for an impeachment vote anyway.
Unless something happened in the past few days that I'm unaware of?
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerI’d still like to know what the mythical policies are that Pence can force though via executive order (while engulfed in scandal due to Trump being impeached), that Pence hasn’t already had Trump implement for him.
Pence can already get any anti-LGBT executive orders made if he wants. There’s nothing stopping him right now.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranSaw this in the New York Times, and thought it was interesting and likely to get overlooked with today’s craziness.
Trump to Steer More Money to ‘Opportunity Zones’
WASHINGTON — President Trump directed federal agencies on Wednesday to steer spending toward certain distressed communities across the country — part of his administration’s push to turn a tax break included in last year’s $1.5 trillion tax package into a broader effort to combat poverty and geographic inequality.
Mr. Trump signed an executive order at the White House to push federal resources to so-called opportunity zones — a small but lucrative provision tucked into his signature tax cut that in recent months has vaulted to prominence among real estate developers and other investors.
Mr. Trump told attendees at the meeting that the zones would receive “massive incentives” for private-sector investment. He said the goal of the order was to help “draw investment into neglected and underserved communities of America so that all Americans regardless of ZIP code have access to the American dream.”
The zones are urban, rural and suburban census tracts, designated by governors and approved by the Treasury Department, that either are high in poverty or border high-poverty areas. They are intended to bolster investment in areas that might otherwise lack interest by offering tax breaks to lure funding for start-ups, housing developments and other economic activity. Investors who fund projects in areas deemed opportunity zones can reduce — and in certain cases eliminate — taxes on investment gains
Mr. Trump’s order seeks to encourage development in the zones and reassure investors that they are viable places for investment. It will create a White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council, covering 13 federal agencies and led by Ben Carson, the Housing and Urban Development secretary. The council will work to prioritize opportunity zones in a variety of federal efforts, including grant funding, loan guarantees, infrastructure spending and crime prevention.
The zones have come under criticism from consumer advocates, who warn that they may not drive investment to truly distressed areas. The official communities designated as zones include some census tracts that are rapidly gentrifying — which could end up delivering large benefits to wealthy developers who would have invested in those areas without the Trump administration’s tax advantage.
Among the designated tracts that have stirred controversy is the section of Long Island City that Amazon has picked for one of its two new headquarters. While the tract sits near a fairly low-income section of Queens, it includes a fast-developing area with wine bars and a view of Manhattan.
Administration officials said the new effort would address some of the concerns voiced by critics of the program, who say an investment incentive alone will not bring money to the large sections of America that have yet to recover from the Great Recession.
Administration officials still must finish what is expected to be two more rounds of regulations that will govern the zones and the funds that invest in them. Investors have warned that those regulations could unfairly narrow or expand the types of projects that will be incentivized by the zones.
An administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said Tuesday that the coming regulations would include a provision that analysts at the Brookings Institution, the Center for American Progress and elsewhere have pushed for: reporting requirements for investments in the zones, which would allow economists to evaluate whether the program was having an impact.
Edited by megaeliz on Dec 12th 2018 at 5:51:54 AM
Trump has no loyalty to the Republican party.
The Republicans know this.
Trump knows it.
They're a party that gave him every bit as much disrespect as the Democrats.
So he treats them like shit.
And the Republicans suck it up because they want at least some of his base to vote for them.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Heard about that, an excellent decision on her part. This way the holdouts can be repurposed and the party unity improved while also setting the stage for a potential replacement. Pelosi's great but she's been the leader for a while, new blood will be a good change of pace.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangEdited by megaeliz on Dec 12th 2018 at 1:18:02 PM

Trump vs Pence is a mixed bag of awful; Pence would be better on the foreign policy front but worse domestically, and he wouldn't be constantly pouring accelerant on the various WH scandals. That said, he isn't clean with regards to Russia, especially since he ran the transition team.
Pence has far less support among the rank and file, and Trump's base feel nothing for him.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on Dec 12th 2018 at 5:49:29 AM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.