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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#264101: Dec 11th 2018 at 2:52:58 PM

Fake News has it purposely wrong. Many, over ten, are vying for and wanting the White House Chief of Staff position. Why wouldn’t someone want one of the truly great and meaningful jobs in Washington. Please report news correctly. Thank you!

Sounds Legit

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#264102: Dec 11th 2018 at 3:03:38 PM

> You know I think we might all be smocking the President too much for his Twitter misspelling - I think he just needed his covfefe.

the Grammar police want a word,misspelling words makes them angry

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#264103: Dec 11th 2018 at 3:22:05 PM

...what is Trump even trying to argue in this video?

i'm tired, my friend
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#264104: Dec 11th 2018 at 3:34:41 PM

He keeps saying border security over and over,he's stuck on repeat!

He's proud to shut down the government over "Border security"

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#264105: Dec 11th 2018 at 3:45:23 PM

So, what’s the chances of Trump getting indicted the moment he steps out of office, I wonder?

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#264106: Dec 11th 2018 at 3:46:36 PM

Keep in mind the part that would get shut down is Homeland Security. Which, you know, is in charge of border security.

He wants to shut down border security in the name of border security.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#264107: Dec 11th 2018 at 3:52:54 PM

My guess is that shutting down Homeland Security temporarily means they can turn an even more blind eye to domestic terrorism

edit:Huh,so the department of Homeworld security is according to wikipeida the "youngest U.S. cabinet department"

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 11th 2018 at 3:55:10 AM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#264108: Dec 11th 2018 at 4:03:12 PM

[up]. @archonspeaks has talked about them a bit before. Apparently, they were created to consolidate the various different agencies that handled domestic security, immigration, etc.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#264109: Dec 11th 2018 at 4:16:23 PM

I approve of Trump doing this.

It will be tough but it's about the only thing I can think will break his presidency.

Edit:

The Department of Homeland Security needs to be dissolved, not just ICE. It is a useless despicable agency that drains the economy and makes it more difficult for the FBI as well as CIA.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 11th 2018 at 4:17:24 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#264110: Dec 11th 2018 at 5:06:59 PM

[up]

Only if we figure out a way to resolve the Jurisdiction Friction that allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place - the FBI and CIA both had half the puzzle pieces, and were reluctant to give their half to the other side.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#264111: Dec 11th 2018 at 5:12:44 PM

"Except where one of you is for some reason investigating the other one, you are now required to share your data"?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#264112: Dec 11th 2018 at 5:15:03 PM

I think we need to gather all the information, download it into the brain of a guy named Chuck, and get him Jane Cobb and Miranda from Mass Effect to guard him.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#264113: Dec 11th 2018 at 5:50:00 PM

@Raineh Daze: There's a few issues with that. My understanding is that their reluctance to share information with each other boils down in part to the differences in how law enforcement and intelligence organizations gather information and sometimes differences in interests.

Essentially, as police, the FBI needs more evidence in order to act, but the CIA needs to keep certain things secret for the public good.

Leviticus 19:34
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#264114: Dec 11th 2018 at 5:56:44 PM

Yeah, dissolving DHS and ICE is a non starter. Broad institutional reform is necessary, but wiping them out is quite frankly a dumb idea, especially considering the reason they exist. Before they were brought together customs and border security and investigations were a jurisdictional nightmare, almost nothing got done.

That said, ICE needs a hell of a lot of help.

Edited by archonspeaks on Dec 11th 2018 at 5:58:41 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#264115: Dec 11th 2018 at 5:58:27 PM

Similar for the UK's National Insurance I imagine, although IIRC neither of them are ringfenced in practice so it just gets deleted like all the other taxes and replaced with new money typed into existence when the powers that be write a budget.

National Insurance Contributions are ring-fenced. 80% of NHS funding comes from general taxation and the remaining 20% comes from NI. The rest of NI gets spent on unemployment benefits, disability benefits, etc. NI is the UK's social security net, basically.

While it is ring-fenced, governments can appropriate money from it for other things. So, it's the kind of ring-fence that can be chipped away at and destroyed over time, which is exactly what the Tories have done.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#264117: Dec 11th 2018 at 6:17:42 PM

What is he going to do, ride up there on his horse and haul her back to the States to face justice?

[Canadians]: But, we were going to extradite her anyway??

Re Jurisdictional Disputes: Much of the problem revolved around the fact that the FBI, as a law enforcement agency, is required to protect the privacy of it's sources; while the CIA, as an intelligence agency, is required to make it's sources available to the Executive so that the quality of the intelligence can be assessed. This was partly resolved when far fewer legal rights began to be extended toward non-citizens, esp. overseas. This is one reason (though not the only one) why domestic terrorism has come under less intensive surveillance than foriegn based terrorism (because domestic generally involves US Citizens, who have legal rights).

Edited by DeMarquis on Dec 11th 2018 at 9:21:58 AM

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#264118: Dec 11th 2018 at 6:23:15 PM

In ICE's case, all of the cops have been engaging in criminal behavior as part of their orders so I don't see a difference between dissolving the agency and getting rid of the corruption.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#264119: Dec 11th 2018 at 6:30:17 PM

[up] It’s incorrect to say all of ICE is engaging in criminal behavior. Deportation operations involve about a third of ICE personnel, the rest do things like investigate human trafficking and arms smuggling.

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#264120: Dec 11th 2018 at 7:19:48 PM

A lot of agents who were involved in human trafficking and child pornography cases have been taken from those cases for deportations.

A fact that some complained about...and were promptly fired for.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#264121: Dec 11th 2018 at 7:23:14 PM

So I had a talk with my centrist roommate, and now I have a question: would Trump, as horrible and vile as he is, himself be considered objectively alt-right? I know the movement practically revolves around him at this point, but would he actually be considered part of it himself?

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#264122: Dec 11th 2018 at 7:24:37 PM

No, because the alt-right is just a single movement in the far right.

But Trump is far right.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#264123: Dec 11th 2018 at 7:45:34 PM

I wouldn't say so, no. They have similar values but it's a case of "convergent evolution". Trump probably doesn't read the message boards that Alt-Righters visit, or use their terminology.

Leviticus 19:34
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#264124: Dec 11th 2018 at 8:21:00 PM

[up][up][up][up] That’s also incorrect.

Deportation is really a pretty small part of what ICE is up to on a day to day basis. Customs enforcement is their main role. They’re the largest investigative agency in DHS so they get used for a lot of different cross-border criminal investigations.

What you might be thinking of is the agents complaining that the ICE name was harming their work. The name has become so linked to deportation raids that agents working on other stuff have trouble gaining cooperation from civilians and even local law enforcement.

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#264125: Dec 11th 2018 at 8:56:58 PM

Trump has often talked about his love of Breitbart and quotes it many times.

So, he is Alt-Right.

The RIGHT.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 11th 2018 at 8:57:28 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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