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Speaking of, there was an article a while back about how some evangelicals were frustrated that if you type "evangelicals" into Google, some of the first results that come up are not of the religion, but articles about Trump. When you willingly align yourself with someone you know is amoral for the sake of power, my sympathies are not very high.
EDIT: From the previous page:
Edited by speedyboris on Dec 11th 2018 at 9:49:18 AM
It's not about moral conduct, love for the neighbour or abortion with evangelicals, just as long as the Republican promotes nativism and the war on Christmas, it's enough for their vote.
Edited by Grafite on Dec 11th 2018 at 6:04:57 PM
Life is unfair...To be fair, Evangelicals have been getting more or less what Trump promised
on the campaign trail: "Issues matter more than a person's personal life," Killian said. "The two issues that come up are pro-life - appointment of judges (who oppose abortion), and support for Israel."
IIRC "Evangelical" is specific denomination or something of the sort. Though it typically refers to a type of politically active fundamentalist Christian conservative. Basically, your Ned Flanders type or the kind of person 7th Heaven is trying to appeal to, commonly found shopping at Bible Bookstores. Common opinions among them include opposition to same-sex marriage, abortion, and teaching evolution in schools. They commonly mistakenly conflate Atheism with Communism.
Much of my family are basically this, and I used to be too-though eventually I decided evolution was correct (switching to the "Theistic Evolution" school of thought) and thus stopped being a fundementalist. Also my position on LGBT issues softened...ironically after binge-watching a ton of pro-Tea Party youtube videos.
Leviticus 19:34There isn't really any reason to believe this, yes, making a single payer system is obviously not going to be easy or immediate but that is no reason to believe that it wouldn't be a massive improvement over the current system and good in its own right. And everyone reason to belive that it would be
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Furthermore, reforming the existing system runs into the problem of the opposition. When 50% of the political spectrum is fanatically dedicated towards deregulation and the healthcare industry is cancerous (pun intended) trying to push incremental reform that leaves the profit-incentive is just going to open you up to sabotage. So no, it's not more reliable.
If Republicans and the healthcare industry are going to fight us all the way (which they will) there isn't really any reason to hold back or stick with moderate solutions, better to decisively stand for something concrete that can rally the base and general public then incremental reform that can be undone by the next Republican administration.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 11th 2018 at 11:35:56 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangHow about a combination of both?
There are so many countries out there with health coverage for everyone. Why not look at all of them and then put something together out of the best elements? Single Payer is one way to have health care for all, but it is not the only one, and arguably not even the most effective one.
Here is why I see a problem with Single Payer healthcare: What if a Republican government just defunds it, the way the Tories did with the NHS?
"Blahous’s paper, titled “The Costs of a National Single-Payer Healthcare System,” estimates total national health expenditures. Even though his cost-saving estimates are more conservative than others, he acknowledges that Sanders’s “Medicare for All” plan would yield a $482 billion reduction in health care spending, and over $1.5 trillion in administrative savings, for a total of $2 trillion less in overall health care expenditures between 2022 and 2031, compared to current spending."
This, from a Koch-funded research center. Oops!
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.There are so many countries out there with health coverage for everyone. Why not look at all of them and then put something together out of the best elements? Single Payer is one way to have health care for all, but it is not the only one, and arguably not even the most effective one.
Here is why I see a problem with Single Payer healthcare: What if a Republican government just defunds it, the way the Tories did with the NHS?
I covered this, unlike Germany 50% of our political spectrum is fanatically obsessed with deregulation. If we permit private healthcare companies to exist then they will simply claw back their power with the help of Republicans and Corporate Democrats. I'm well aware that there are forms of universal healthcare other than single payer, I just don't think they would fit the US as well.
Yes, Single Payer can be defunded but it will affect enough people's lives that defunding it should be more difficult than simply making an existing private sector more powerful.
Yeah, it's magnificent
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 11th 2018 at 11:50:13 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang![]()
Yes, I know. There is no doubt that this would save the US a LOT of money, and that's before you get to the broader benefits.
I wasn't necessarily thinking of Germany. I just think that it would be good if the health care cost would be separate from taxes. Because that would make it harder for the Republicans to defund the health care system.
The NRCC Chair
has weighed in on the Republican Party's path forward.
>> Main problem for Rs was bad messaging to Independents
>> Trump not at fault for '18 or liability in '20
>> no political realignment in suburbs: “That’s not true. It isn’t there”
They've learned absolutely nothing from 2018 and I love it
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Dec 11th 2018 at 12:29:14 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

I cant speak to that particular survey, but "Evangelical" is the term generally used to describe a particular group of conservative Christians, mostly Protestant, who typically believe in the literal accuracy of the Bible, seek a salvation experience from sin by the spirit of Jesus Christ, and promote an aggressive political agenda.
Also from that article: "...At issue is how much emphasis the party should place on trying to recapture white working-class voters as opposed to maximizing turnout among its new base of minority, millennial and college-educated white voters, especially women and those in urban areas."
Edited by DeMarquis on Dec 11th 2018 at 10:31:17 AM
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.