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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#263951: Dec 9th 2018 at 4:16:22 PM

Snopes actually covered this, and Fox isn't banned in Canada. Ironically, they cite the Huffington Post as a source for peddling this misinformation.

The CRTC regulations apply only to Canadian broadcasters using Canadian airwaves; they do not apply to the Fox News Channel, which is a non-Canadian entity transmitted via satellite and cable, not broadcast over public airwaves.

Fox Chairman and CEO Rupert Murdoch was rebuffed in his efforts to establish Fox News Canada in 2003 due to Canadian laws regarding foreign ownership of print and broadcast media, but the CRTC approved an application to bring the Fox News Channel to Canadian digital television line-ups back in November 2004, and that channel is now carried by dozens of different digital providers throughout Canada. (The claimed distinction that Fox News Channel is only allowed in Canada due to its being classified as an “entertainment” channel rather than as a “news” channel is a meaningless one, as those classifications only apply to Canadian media outlets, and Fox is an American company.)

Fox actually has channels in over 40 countries.

A more likely reason it doesn't do so hot is that it exists solely for the nationalistic American right-wing, which doesn't have much traction with anyone who isn't a right-wing American nationalist.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#263953: Dec 9th 2018 at 9:59:08 PM

Nick Ayers has turned down the offer to become Kelly's replacement.

Smart guy.

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#263954: Dec 10th 2018 at 7:29:53 AM

So, remember when White House insiders leaked that Kelly was planning on leaving at the end of the year and the White House stamped down on that and Kelly was like, "I have no intentions of leaving and these White House leaks are fake news."

Because I remember that.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#263955: Dec 10th 2018 at 8:43:35 AM

A “Smocking” gun. Right.

“Democrats can’t find a Smocking Gun tying the Trump campaign to Russia after James Comey’s testimony. No Smocking Gun...No Collusion.” @Fox News That’s because there was NO COLLUSION. So now the Dems go to a simple private transaction, wrongly call it a campaign contribution,.......which it was not (but even if it was, it is only a CIVIL CASE, like Obama’s - but it was done correctly by a lawyer and there would not even be a fine. Lawyer’s liability if he made a mistake, not me). Cohen just trying to get his sentence reduced. WITCH HUNT!

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 10th 2018 at 11:44:11 AM

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#263956: Dec 10th 2018 at 8:46:58 AM

As far as I'm concerned Trump's tweets are not worth reading as I've found writing on bathroom walls to have more logic

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#263957: Dec 10th 2018 at 8:50:29 AM

[up] And better grammar and spelling.

Also, just overheard Stuart Varney blame the riots in France on socialism. I feel like there's nothing Varney won't blame on socialism.

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#263958: Dec 10th 2018 at 9:24:21 AM

Accused Russian spy Maria Butina may have reached a plea deal with the feds.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/10/politics/maria-butina-plea/index.html

For those who don't remember; she was the one accused of trying to compromise the GOP and the NRA on behalf of the Kremlin.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Dec 10th 2018 at 1:26:13 PM

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#263959: Dec 10th 2018 at 9:46:57 AM

[up][up]There's nothing any Republican won't blame on Socialism when it's convenient.

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#263960: Dec 10th 2018 at 11:31:49 AM

‘Crying Nazi’ vows ‘destruction’ of the left after Charlottesville killer’s murder conviction.

A year later, with Fields’s trial now over, Cantwell went on the social media platform Gab, known for its far-right user base, and aimed his words at “Charlottesville and the broad Left.” Fields’s conviction “will drive us toward your complete and total destruction,” he said, claiming that there are more than enough people “to put in the massive amounts of unpleasant work.”

Edited by SciFiSlasher on Dec 10th 2018 at 1:32:02 PM

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#263961: Dec 10th 2018 at 11:37:27 AM

If I was one of those people he's threatening and my artistic skills didn't suck, I'd make some video or image that serves as the biggest middle finger I could think of to this bastard, daring him to bring the worst he can, because if he thinks fear from death threats is going to shut me up, he's sorely wrong.

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#263962: Dec 10th 2018 at 11:48:39 AM

[up][up] I think most of the people he's targeting are just going to say "Bring it on, sucker. We're not afraid of you and your gang of cowards."

It's funny how the far-right thinks it can still try that old intimidation tactic in this day and age and expect it to work.

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#263963: Dec 10th 2018 at 11:51:18 AM

"I'm gonna use this far-right social media platform to send a message to the Left!"

Okaaaay...

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#263964: Dec 10th 2018 at 12:37:29 PM

Establishment looks to crush liberals on Medicare for All

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/10/establishment-democrats-progressive-medicare-1052215

As I'm understanding it, the more progressive Dems are looking to get Single Payer or other reforms started while the establishment Dems are looking to stabilize and shore up the ACA, with medical lobbies being on the establishment side.

The coalition that fought Obamacare repeal has fragmented as the party tries to follow through on campaign promises.

The united front that helped Democrats save Obamacare just a year ago is falling apart over single-payer health care.

Deep-pocketed hospital, insurance and other lobbies are plotting to crush progressives’ hopes of expanding the government's role in health care once they take control of the House. The private-sector interests, backed in some cases by key Obama administration and Hillary Clinton campaign alumni, are now focused on beating back another prospective health care overhaul, including plans that would allow people under 65 to buy into Medicare.

This sets up a potentially brutal battle between establishment Democrats who want to preserve Obamacare and a new wave of progressive House Democrats who ran on single-payer health care.

"We know the insurance companies and the pharma companies are all putting tens of millions of dollars into trying to defeat us," said Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), who co-chairs the Medicare for All Congressional Caucus. "Which I take as a badge of honor — that they’re so concerned about a good policy that they're going to put so much money into trying to defeat it."

The rift could come into full view in the opening weeks of the new Congress, as the party long bound by a need to defend the Affordable Care Act tries to embrace a new health care vision it can carry into the 2020 presidential campaign.

House Democratic leaders already are emphasizing the need to align behind a more pragmatic agenda focused largely on shoring up Obamacare, without peering too far into the future.

“We want to continue promoting the idea of accessibility and improving the Affordable Care Act,” said incoming Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal (D-Mass.). “That should be the primary goal that we have.”

It's a sentiment shared by the major lobbies that fought alongside Democrats against Obamacare repeal and now want to reap the benefits. These interest groups contend that, after a decade of upheaval in health care, the public would prefer simple fixes that strengthen the ACA over a headlong rush into another dramatic overhaul of the system.

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 10th 2018 at 1:41:08 PM

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#263965: Dec 10th 2018 at 12:39:47 PM

I love how the article is framed. The tone of the writing is firmly on the progressives' side. Nice avoiding bias there, guys.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#263966: Dec 10th 2018 at 12:40:32 PM

The headline alone does sort of give it away, huh?

Edited by sgamer82 on Dec 10th 2018 at 1:40:47 PM

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#263967: Dec 10th 2018 at 12:40:54 PM

[up][up]???? Oh no? The author... clearly supports single payer???

Edited by wisewillow on Dec 10th 2018 at 3:41:38 PM

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#263968: Dec 10th 2018 at 12:45:03 PM

I'm surprised the title is not "Crush,kill, and destroy the liberals!" that is the sort of imagery they create when they describe crushing liberals

You'd think from the way they talk about it they're at war with Liberals

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 10th 2018 at 12:45:53 PM

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#263969: Dec 10th 2018 at 12:45:40 PM

[up][up] Well, as long as it's presented as an opinion piece and not, you know, objective reporting.

I'd like to see single payer as well, but ... well, we've been over this so many times that even the thought of the debate gets nauseating.

You think that Senate Republicans will let a vote on single-payer even come to the floor? Holding out hope for 2021, perhaps, when we'll magically get a filibuster-proof supermajority in Congress? We should rename the "progressive caucus" the unicorn-wishing crack smokers.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 10th 2018 at 3:49:20 PM

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#263970: Dec 10th 2018 at 12:48:37 PM

The GOP Senate is not going to pass anything vaguely reasonable though, even if it was just a few changes to Obamacare to improve it they would still say no.

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#263971: Dec 10th 2018 at 12:50:19 PM

[up] Might as well reach for the stars, I suppose? Solidify the platform around one of the most unrealistic political goals imaginable, to show the base that we like tilting at windmills?

Again, I'm not against single-payer. I think it's where we ultimately need to go. I just don't see how anyone has a realistic plan to get there... other than the one that Hillary Clinton proposed. Do it gradually and incrementally enough that it simply becomes a fait accompli, rather than a strawman for Republicans to rally around.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 10th 2018 at 3:52:16 PM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#263972: Dec 10th 2018 at 1:04:30 PM

[up] Shoring up the ACA is a good short term plan.

Then you just, as quietly as you can, start working towards creating single payer. So that would mean starting to create the necessary infrastructure, education campaigns, etc, that can create the environment that single payer can be feasible.

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 10th 2018 at 4:07:39 AM

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#263973: Dec 10th 2018 at 1:06:54 PM

I don't even think the article cares that much about single-payer so much as it wants to sell the idea of "the Democrats are tearing themselves apart!" because that gets clicks.

It's a stopped clock situation, but Trump is right that the media can be untrustworthy. He's just wrong about how or why; this is the kind of fuckery that helps him.

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#263974: Dec 10th 2018 at 1:25:48 PM

Thats the difference between centrists and progressives: centrists are content with small incremental change, even when it doesnt really meet the need (which itself was created by the other side), hoping for real progress in the long term. Progressives want to reverse conservative policies and achieve significant progress now, and are happy to die on that hill, if necessary.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#263975: Dec 10th 2018 at 1:32:16 PM

I agree. The headline and opening are trying really hard to make it seem like Pelosi and some new faces are going at each other with machetes and grenades. This is like when those Green New Deal folks protested outside Pelosi's office, but even worse. At least there it wasn't unreasonable to hear "protest outside Pelosi's office" and assume it meant they were protesting against her as opposed to bringing the GND to her attention. This article was trying really hard to push "Democratic Civil War!" before it got to the heart of the matter, which was the less exciting news that there is disagreement on how to proceed with healthcare legislation.


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