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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#263401: Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:54:36 AM

Ben Shapiro's also a snake oil salesman supporter. Just look up Dawn to Dusk pills sometime.

There are many, many reasons not to listen to Ben Shapiro.

Edited by M84 on Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:55:14 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#263402: Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:55:45 AM

Okay, that argument is really hilarious...especially the part where people sell their houses at the sea and just move.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#263403: Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:57:42 AM

There are so many flaws there, but my favorite is the immediately obvious "whom the fuck would they sell them to?"

Imca (Veteran)
#263404: Dec 3rd 2018 at 2:14:27 AM

Ben Shapiro's also a snake oil salesman supporter. Just look up Dawn to Dusk pills sometime.

I dont want to provide clicks, what are they?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#263405: Dec 3rd 2018 at 2:17:05 AM

Caffeine pills marketed as mental health stimulants. Yeah...

Disgusted, but not surprised
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#263406: Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:19:44 AM

Also, that sort of sea rise puts most of the Netherlands under water. I'm fairly certain it's hard to sell up an entire country and move.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#263407: Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:24:21 AM

I could see an ignorant person arguing that parts of the country were underwater before and they had to drain the land..though it never occurs to them thats harder to do when it's an entire Ocean

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#263408: Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:54:47 AM

I mean, they did that before too.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#263409: Dec 3rd 2018 at 4:30:11 AM

Point is, rising ocean levels would be bad for a multitude of reasons, one of the least of which being the literal sea level being higher.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#263410: Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:02:30 AM

It's about way more than that, but, well, to list all the effects would be going off topic.

Does anyone know what is going on in North Carolina? And what is holding off the other two districts left being called?

BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#263411: Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:38:27 AM

With one of the them, it's looking like the a number of illegal mail in ballots were submitted by the Republican party in one county. The non-partisan election committee has unanimously voted not to certify the election result and 7-2 to perform a full investigation of the election.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#263412: Dec 3rd 2018 at 6:21:25 AM

Okay, but what if the investigation says "oh, yeah, there was manipulation". What will happen then?

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#263413: Dec 3rd 2018 at 6:22:59 AM

Shapiro is also one of those clowns who supports both the absolutely ludicrous and offensive "The jews could have stopped the holocaust if they had guns!!!" meme, and the grossly intellectually dishonest "the nazis were left-wing!!!" tripe.

He doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, ever.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#263414: Dec 3rd 2018 at 6:27:01 AM

I already linked to an explanation why the idea using the Holocaust as an argument against gun control is idiotic (not that you really need it once you summon up what they are on about this way), here is one explaining why the Nazis were in no shape "socialists".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFvG4RpwJI&t=157s

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#263415: Dec 3rd 2018 at 6:34:16 AM

Current Affairs has a rather thorough takedown of Ben Shapiro that also neatly describes how intellectual weak he is, The Cool Kids Philsopher

If anyone's interested I would strongly recommend them reading it, it should thoroughly disabuse anyone of the notion that Ben Shapiro has any connection to knowledge or intellectual honesty.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#263416: Dec 3rd 2018 at 6:56:13 AM

My estimation for the Times just went down several notches. They wrote really THAT about him? Have they ever listened to the nonsense he talks?

I mean, I guess it is a little bit easier to spot it if you are actually from one of those countries from which he takes painful history and then distorts it, but the nonsense he talks about racism alone should be a red flag. As should his style of argumentation. He has never meet a strawman he wasn't ready to built, I don't think that he even cares was the arguments regarding a topic actually ARE.

BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#263417: Dec 3rd 2018 at 6:58:17 AM

It's likely that the new democratic House will refuse to seat the NC-9 representative and there is a good chance that the committee will force a special election to be held.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#263418: Dec 3rd 2018 at 6:58:24 AM

Crossposted to the Middle East Thread:

Intercepts Solidify C.I.A. Assessment That Saudi Prince Ordered Khashoggi Killing [1]

The C.I.A. has evidence that Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi crown prince, communicated repeatedly with a key aide around the time that a team believed to have been under the aide’s command assassinated Jamal Khashoggi, according to former officials familiar with the intelligence.

The adviser, Saud al-Qahtani, topped the list of Saudis who were targeted by American sanctions last month over their suspected involvement in the killing of Mr. Khashoggi. American intelligence agencies have evidence that Prince Salman and Mr. Qahtani had 11 exchanges that roughly coincided with the hit team’s advance into the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, where Mr. Khashoggi was murdered.

The exchanges are a key piece of information that helped solidify the C.I.A.’s assessment that the crown prince ordered the killing of Mr. Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist and Virginia resident who had been critical of the Saudi government.

“This is the smoking gun, or at least the smoking phone call,” said Bruce Riedel, a former C.I.A. official now at the Brookings Institution. “There is only one thing they could possibly be talking about. This shows that the crown prince was witting of premeditated murder.”

Mr. Qahtani has been one of Prince Mohammed’s closest advisers. When the head of the hit team, Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb, was recorded by Turkish intelligence saying “tell your boss” that the team had carried out the mission, he was believed by American intelligence agencies to have been communicating with Mr. Qahtani.

People briefed on the intelligence said they believed that the 11 exchanges between Prince Mohammed and Mr. Qahtani could very well have been the time when the aide shared the news.

Current and former officials insisted that while the communications are suggestive and reinforce the intelligence agency’s conclusions about the culpability of the crown prince, they are not the kind of definitive, direct evidence that President Trump has suggested would be needed to convince him that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing.

Such evidence, the current and former officials said, is rarely collected, and the C.I.A. and other agencies often make their conclusions based on imperfect information. The C.I.A. has told lawmakers that it has medium to high confidence that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing. Medium to high certainty is a level short of high confidence, and demonstrates that the agency lacks a recording in which the crown prince orders the killing.

Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#263419: Dec 3rd 2018 at 7:09:51 AM

Ben Shapiro epically wrecks feminist libtard with LOGIC and FACTS

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#263420: Dec 3rd 2018 at 7:25:20 AM

That sounds like a Raw Story headline

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#263421: Dec 3rd 2018 at 7:43:23 AM

[up][up] There's a reason the guy pretty much became a meme. For all his bluster about facts and such, he tends to mainly debate people who themselves aren't that skilled at debating.

Because that's what debate is when people like him are involved - it's all about rhetorical trickery and making yourself look "more rational" than the other side, no matter how stupid your logic is. It's about looking good to your fan base.

It's probably no coincidence that Ben Shapiro fans are usually also big into the lobster guy.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Dec 3rd 2018 at 4:44:03 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#263423: Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:41:19 AM

Jordan Peterson; Ben Shapiro but old.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:41:26 AM

i'm tired, my friend
Soban Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#263424: Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:47:04 AM

[up] Thanks, didn't know that nickname for him.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#263425: Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:01:40 AM

I prefer 'Lobster Daddy' for Jordan Peterson, because it makes him look as ridiculous as his ideas.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.

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