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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#263176: Nov 30th 2018 at 6:49:33 PM

[up][up]The fact that Trump was "caught off guard" is just plain insane. The news has been making the rounds for weeks that Cohen was cooperating with Mueller. What does he expect a former loyal subordinate do when you insult him and kick him to the curb!?!

Edited by nightwyrm_zero on Nov 30th 2018 at 9:49:47 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#263177: Nov 30th 2018 at 6:55:06 PM

[up]Depends on if this stuff was even mentioned on Fox and Friends.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#263178: Nov 30th 2018 at 6:56:00 PM

Trump expects total loyalty without even the pretense of giving any in return.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#263179: Nov 30th 2018 at 8:41:08 PM

The more surprised he acts the more innocent he appears to the uninitiated.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#263180: Nov 30th 2018 at 9:03:03 PM

Breaking: George H. W. Bush passed at 94.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Former-President-George-HW-Bush-Dies-184974861.html

Edited by tclittle on Nov 30th 2018 at 11:03:53 AM

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#263181: Nov 30th 2018 at 9:39:18 PM

Unsurprising that it's so soon after Barbara Bush's own passing.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#263182: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:05:45 PM

...and so he dies, seeing his political party twisted by itself into the party of a man he despised.

He died after seeing his own son humiliated, destroyed and reduced to "please clap". After his wife died.

He died after one of the ugliest elections in Modern American History.

Honestly, it does not surprise me much at all he died. He basically lost everything by this point.

Edited by NickTheSwing on Nov 30th 2018 at 11:06:11 AM

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#263183: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:13:04 PM

At least by the time he died, his son no longer had anyone think of him as the worst president in US history.

Edited by Medinoc on Nov 30th 2018 at 8:13:53 PM

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#263184: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:22:33 PM

The White House's statement contains a line that obviously unintentionally shows the divide between the two presidents. I almost can't help but think whoever actually wrote it did so intentionally as a dig. See the bolded line.

Melania and I join with a grieving Nation to mourn the loss of former President George H.W. Bush, who passed away last night.

Through his essential authenticity, disarming wit, and unwavering commitment to faith, family, and country, President Bush inspired generations of his fellow Americans to public service—to be, in his words, “a thousand points of light” illuminating the greatness, hope, and opportunity of America to the world.

President Bush always found a way to set the bar higher. As a young man, he captained the Yale baseball team, and then went on to serve as the youngest aviator in the United States Navy during the Second World War. Later in life, he rose to the pinnacle of American politics as a Congressman from Texas, envoy to China, Director of Central Intelligence, Vice President of eight years to President Ronald Reagan, and finally President of the United States.

With sound judgement, common sense, and unflappable leadership, President Bush guided our Nation, and the world, to a peaceful and victorious conclusion of the Cold War. As President, he set the stage for the decades of prosperity that have followed. And through all that he accomplished, he remained humble, following the quiet call to service that gave him a clear sense of direction.

Along with his full life of service to country, we will remember President Bush for his devotion to family—especially the love of his life, Barbara. His example lives on, and will continue to stir future Americans to pursue a greater cause. Our hearts ache with his loss, and we, with the American people, send our prayers to the entire Bush family, as we honor the life and legacy of 41.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Nov 30th 2018 at 11:22:49 AM

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#263185: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:57:22 PM

@Nick; Wow, that was unnecessarily grim and uncalled for. I'm pretty sure he didn't consider his life somehow worthless just because of all that, in comparison to a long life where he appeared to have basically lived exactly as he wanted to.

Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#263186: Dec 1st 2018 at 12:05:33 AM

Rest in the Peace, George H. W. Bush. May he be reunited with his wife, Barbara.

Moving on to another topic...

You know, with all talk about Robert Mueller lately, I'm surprised that no one has added him to the Memetic Badass page yet.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#263187: Dec 1st 2018 at 1:01:13 AM

[up][up] I wasn't suggesting the sort, just saying that the poor guy died after so much was done to break the Bush Family, and the party he probably attached a lot of affection to was twisted.

I'm really not looking forward to the days after Trump leaves office, because due to his actions the Republicans can't go back on this. The Trump Family controls the course of this ship, all the way to the end.

Edited by NickTheSwing on Dec 1st 2018 at 1:02:37 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#263188: Dec 1st 2018 at 1:10:16 AM

The GOP will pretend Trump was never President, same way they did with Dubya.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#263189: Dec 1st 2018 at 1:37:33 AM

No they won't. Not in the least because he himself won't let them as long as he still breathes. No quiet retirement for him, and you know it.

TommyR01D Since: Feb, 2015
#263190: Dec 1st 2018 at 2:50:19 AM

Trump is very old, very fat and very reckless. We might not have to wait that long.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#263191: Dec 1st 2018 at 4:47:48 AM

[up]Hope beyond hope, but considering he inherited his way into necessary healthcare he'll probably live to at least 85.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#263192: Dec 1st 2018 at 4:59:20 AM

I honestly have nothing kind to say about Bush Sr. The things he did while working for the CIA, and the things he was responsible for in the Middle East... There’s nothing there for me to respect.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#263193: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:06:40 AM

And he broke his promise when he raised taxes after announcing he wouldn't!

But yeah,he started a new conflict in the gulf to satisfy the military industrial complex

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 1st 2018 at 5:38:51 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#263194: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:52:14 AM

[up] He didn't start any conflict, Saddam Hussein straight up invaded an independent nation. It ended quickly and decisively and I wish Obama had adopted some of his strategies when it came to dealing with the recent annexation of Crimea.

Life is unfair...
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#263195: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:53:11 AM

Started is the wrong word,"got involved" is the word I was looking for

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#263196: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:53:47 AM

What could we do about Crimea? Go start a shooting war with the Russians?

Oh really when?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#263197: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:56:05 AM

They could do try arming and training the locals to resist Russian forces just like before

/sarcasm

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 1st 2018 at 5:56:23 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#263198: Dec 1st 2018 at 6:43:16 AM

It used to be against international law to invade and conquer other nations.

But seriously, the first Iraq War is probably one of the most justified wars in modern memory.

Are people really saying that the invasion of Kuwait should have been unresponded to?

Arguably, the biggest criticism is they DIDN'T remove Saddam Hussein when the entire world was there and he was committing genocide.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 1st 2018 at 6:45:01 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#263199: Dec 1st 2018 at 6:48:31 AM

[up][up][up] At this point, yeah. We may as well call their bluff. Provide lethal weapons and hard support to the Ukrainians, because that’s the only message the Russians will understand.

[up] Invading and conquering other countries is fine, as long as you have a good reason. What’s illegal is a war of aggression, and I’ll point out it’s only been illegal since around the 1950s and was legal before that.

Edited by archonspeaks on Dec 1st 2018 at 6:50:45 AM

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#263200: Dec 1st 2018 at 6:53:29 AM

Yes, shocking we made serious progress to establish crimes against humanity.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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