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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#263076: Nov 29th 2018 at 12:23:31 PM

[up][up][up] I know.

The thing with the Deutsche Bank is: Back during the finance crisis, the bail out from the German government were connected to a lot of conditions - which included giving the government a good look into the books of the banks who took it.

There were only two kind of banks who didn't take it: the ones who had avoided getting sucked into those kind of speculations and therefore didn't need a bail out and the Deutsche Bank. So...why exactly should the Deutsche Bank NOT take a giant windfall unless they felt that allowing the government to take a look would be worse than taking the financial hit instead?

[up][up] And how is this movement connected?

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 29th 2018 at 12:24:13 PM

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#263077: Nov 29th 2018 at 12:26:21 PM

To add to that: The police used the protests as an excuse to be as martial law-ish as possible by bringing out the menacing tanks and gear, not to mention being aggressive towards reporters just doing their jobs, that made a volatile situation even worse. Ferguson was basically a war zone for a good month and a half.

The whole thing was an international embarrassment.

Edited by speedyboris on Nov 29th 2018 at 2:28:21 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#263078: Nov 29th 2018 at 12:26:40 PM

Mike Brown was minor and the cop killed him in response to what he claimed was an immediate threat to his life, with bystanders of different races offering conflicting information, including white ones who admitted to being racists. This was part of the drive for cop cams so that disputes like these could be resolved more easily as well as outcry over the fact that a cop can just shoot and kill minors so easily like that.

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#263079: Nov 29th 2018 at 12:33:47 PM

Michael Brown was actually 18 years old. The protests were discussed in this thread four years ago, see here and following pages.

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#263080: Nov 29th 2018 at 1:02:26 PM

It also didn't help in the slightest that even with the wildly different accounts, the one common thread is that Mike Brown was trying to surrender and that he was probably unarmed. So the Policeman who pulled the trigger basically shot a boy who was trying not to get killed, and who wasn't a threat to begin with.

Even taking hindsight is 6/6 as an excuse, the fact that he killed a teenager was simply too much. That he was Black was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Put simply, the whole thing was a flashpoint between activists who insisted that Police are too trigger-happy when responding to calls involving non-White suspects, while the Police claimed that they weren't, or that such cases were exceptions to the rule.

It resulted in the rise of the Black Lives Matter Movement, which is enormously polarizing, since they're not too fussy about being loud and unapologetically blunt about saying that it's not a few bad eggs in the Police, it's institutional racism.

The right wing and the far-right absolutely hate them, and have previously threatened and even physically assaulted it's activists, so a number of activists ending up dead one after the other is not something to ignore.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Nov 29th 2018 at 4:07:20 AM

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#263081: Nov 29th 2018 at 1:06:32 PM

What the shit?

Part of me refuses to believe this can be true.

Another part of me refuses to believe this could be anything but true.

And a third part of me wants to see some evidence, just because there's been so many wild right wing conspiracy theories that I wouldn't put it past someone to attempt to start a left wing conspiracy theory.

That's not a conspiracy theory. It's a potential serial murder. A conspiracy theory requires a vast network of secret actors working to manipulate events from behind the scenes. Serial killing just takes one asshole with a gun and an agenda.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 29th 2018 at 2:06:51 AM

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#263082: Nov 29th 2018 at 1:47:11 PM

Except for the "ruled it a suicide" thing. It's likely one asshole with a gun committing the crimes, but if this is true (which I don't know about, I haven't had a chance to verify stuff) it seems like the police are covering up for it so... that'd be a conspiracy.

Four suspicious deaths does not a conspiracy make. Four suspicious deaths that the police keep calling suicides (especially if they were then immolated), however, does.

Edited by Larkmarn on Nov 29th 2018 at 4:48:43 AM

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#263083: Nov 29th 2018 at 2:00:56 PM

If the vice presidency is vacant, who is most likely to be picked to fill it nowadays?

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#263084: Nov 29th 2018 at 2:03:55 PM

[up] A new one would be nominated by the president and approved by Congress, so basically any appropriate party member. Probably someone who didn’t currently hold a lower office.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 29th 2018 at 2:05:40 AM

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#263085: Nov 29th 2018 at 2:08:13 PM

The 25th amendment was passed to handle such question.

Otherwise an article describes how the large number of progressives in the House might matter despite the divided government - they could influence the must-pass spending bills.

Also, two papers about how American news coverage is racist cannot gauge the severity of a scandal.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 29th 2018 at 11:29:29 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#263086: Nov 29th 2018 at 2:23:29 PM

Okay...and who exactly died? I am still not getting the whole picture there.

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#263087: Nov 29th 2018 at 2:47:21 PM

Reread WiseWillow's post

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Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 29th 2018 at 2:48:09 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#263088: Nov 29th 2018 at 2:52:13 PM

[up] I did. But I am getting only snippets of information here. Are the Ferguson activists part of Black Lives Matter or is that a separate movement? Were the people who died particularly important for the movement? It's like looking though a milk glas window.

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#263089: Nov 29th 2018 at 2:55:02 PM

From what I understood, Ferguson was the spark that started that particular fire in earnest and the people there are well known activists among it.

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#263090: Nov 29th 2018 at 2:55:58 PM

They’re the activists who rose to prominence during and after the events of Ferguson. Some are with Black Lives Matter, some are not.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 29th 2018 at 2:56:29 AM

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#263091: Nov 29th 2018 at 2:59:45 PM

I thought BLM started with Trayvon Martin.

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#263092: Nov 29th 2018 at 3:07:45 PM

Wikipedia seems to agree.

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#263093: Nov 29th 2018 at 3:17:51 PM

From LSBK:

I can give you no coherent policy positions or political vision, but I'd definitely say he has personal beliefs. They mostly amount to "immigrants and black people bad, and women are sex objects" but those are beliefs. And they fit in nicely with the Republican Party as is.

And because he's been more open about blatantly expressing those beliefs that most other Republicans, more people feel comfortable doing the same, which is a major issue.

Exactly. Trump is the GOP's id. He says out loud what most of them are thinking, making more and more of them feel more comfortable with being open about it. And by GOP I mean the actual political party AND its devoted voter base.

Another belief that Trump has that fits in with the GOP is "fuck poor people — especially if they aren't white".

Edited by M84 on Nov 29th 2018 at 7:19:23 PM

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#263094: Nov 29th 2018 at 3:22:10 PM

Four suspicious deaths does not a conspiracy make. Four suspicious deaths that the police keep calling suicides (especially if they were then immolated), however, does.

Not necessarily. In the event that these are murders, it could be that there's an active police conspiracy to disguise them. Or it could just be racist cops not caring when minorities are murdered, especially when those minorities are activists against racist cops.

The police investigating the deaths could easily just be "playing the world's tiniest violin" upon IDing the victims.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 29th 2018 at 4:24:39 AM

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#263095: Nov 29th 2018 at 3:24:17 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking less conspiracy and more malignant bigoted laziness. The cops likely just don't care enough to do due diligence investigating the deaths of people who criticize them (especially since those criticisms might hit too close to home). Which is still horrible, but it's not a conspiracy.

Edited by M84 on Nov 29th 2018 at 7:24:52 PM

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#263096: Nov 29th 2018 at 3:25:10 PM

Exactly. It's basically the same issue as sex workers have: there aren't really any legal protections available for people the police dislike.

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#263097: Nov 29th 2018 at 3:38:06 PM

[up][up] from doing a bit more research, the only one that seemed really odd to me was the hanging one, as it was declared a suicide, even though his mother claimed he was linched, at least from first glance.

The one from 2016 was investigated as a homicide, and was even suspected to be connected to another incident where another man was killed in a very similar way, but was never solved, and the most recent one died in a heart attack. (I couldn’t find a ton of information about Edward Crawford though.)

Edited by megaeliz on Nov 29th 2018 at 6:47:16 AM

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#263098: Nov 29th 2018 at 3:42:21 PM

Even that may not be conspiracy so much as cops not giving a shit and ruling it a suicide.

One of the most disturbing things about our world is that while some of the horrible crap happening is due to conspiracies, most of it is just due to people not giving a shit.

At least with conspiracies you know that the horrible shit is happening due to a plan and a goal, even if they are horrible ones. But the reality is that most of it is happening for the same reason a fast food worker decides to put a burger patty that fell on the floor into the burger anyway — people not giving a shit.

Edited by M84 on Nov 29th 2018 at 7:45:57 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#263099: Nov 29th 2018 at 3:50:11 PM

I wouldn't just wave the notion away:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground_murders

The sad truth is that if the police isn't bothering to investigate or are looking in the wrong direction, a string of murders can happen without anyone noticing that they are connected. For years. So it is entirely possible that someone is systematically killing "vocal" Po C, but is doing it a little bit more carefully than your usual right-wing nut.

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 29th 2018 at 3:50:31 AM

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#263100: Nov 29th 2018 at 4:05:11 PM

[up]Yes, but that doesn't make it a police conspiracy. It just makes it the work of a serial killer with a hate-on for black activists. And that's not a conspiracy.

Edited by M84 on Nov 29th 2018 at 8:05:56 PM

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