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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#262826: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:13:09 PM

> Hillary should probably just focus on being a grandmother. Her time has passed.

Might wanna rethink that post of yours,just saying as it might be read as something else because the first time I read it I went "Yikes"

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 25th 2018 at 1:14:34 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#262827: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:23:59 PM

Honest question: What did you read it as? Because I didn't see anything wrong with it.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#262828: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:25:07 PM

I imagine sexist and/or ageist vibes. I got it too, even though I'm sure it (probably) wasn't meant that way.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 25th 2018 at 3:25:38 AM

TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#262829: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:25:33 PM

At this point, the Democrats need to be corralled into toeing the damned Party line - which is to make life miserable for the GOP so they don't screw over the United States further.

Open Mouth, Insert Foot commentary from the likes of Hillary Clinton are precisely what they need to stomp down on. They can argue about specifics once power is theirs. Until then, no.

I hold the secrets of the machine.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#262830: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:27:35 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I think it was a case of unintentionally unfortunate wording.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#262831: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:30:21 PM

Let me rephrase: Hillary should go back into retirement. Her time has passed.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#262832: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:36:28 PM

US Border Patrol apparently launched tear gas into Mexico.

Which is I. an International Incident of the highest order and II. Tear Gas is banned in International Affairs since 1997

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TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#262833: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:37:46 PM

[up] What next, sinking Mexican Shipping?

I hold the secrets of the machine.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#262834: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:47:07 PM

I'm waiting for "Why" part

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#262835: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:47:08 PM

[up][up][up] Not to say that I condone the incident, but I don’t think there’s a winnable legal case against the US there. Chemical agents are only outlawed in war and are perfectly legal everywhere else, and there’s precedent allowing US law enforcement to shoot across the border.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 25th 2018 at 1:48:13 AM

They should have sent a poet.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#262836: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:48:06 PM

Putin's personal phallus polisher AKA Donald Trump

Europe has to pay their fair share for Military Protection. The European Union, for many years, has taken advantage of us on Trade, and then they don’t live up to their Military commitment through NATO. Things must change fast!

And not long after...

Russia fires at Ukraine ships and captures three vessels amid rising tensions off Crimea

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#262837: Nov 25th 2018 at 1:54:31 PM

We all know that Trump sees NATO as Europe hiring the US to protect them from Russia. He doesnt see it as the US persuading Europe to help us contain the Russians.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
raziel365 Anka Aquila from South of the Far West (Veteran) Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#262838: Nov 25th 2018 at 2:01:38 PM

That sort of view could have some ground in reality after WWII with what almost all of Europe in ruins and the USSR on the rise; nowadays however that's a very distanced view of reality. Just a reminder how backwards is Trump in terms of views.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#262839: Nov 25th 2018 at 2:02:27 PM

And I don't see any reason why he would see it any other way. It'd be in Trump's best interest to unfetter Russia (as much as it is in ours to prove that it is his best interest to help unfetter Russia)

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Nov 25th 2018 at 2:02:54 AM

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#262840: Nov 25th 2018 at 2:13:10 PM

Only in the short term. Putin isnt really beholden to Trump in any way. Im certain they see him merely as a "useful idiot." An unfettered Russia is ultimately dangerous to everybody.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#262841: Nov 25th 2018 at 4:13:44 PM

No, that point of view never had any merits. The US didn't didn't go on a race for Berlin for shits and giggles, you know. Communism was a huge threat for them because it was THEIR companies which ended up in the hand of the national state. They protected "the West" (I hate the term) because they wanted to protect their most important markets, not because of the goodness of their heart.

And don't get me wrong here, they did well overall. As much as the cold war sucked, I wonder what would have happened to Europe if they hadn't decided to pump money into the destroyed countries. But the narrative that they were altruistic about it is just BS.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#262842: Nov 25th 2018 at 5:20:07 PM

Well, it's definitely possible that some US officials that were involved in securing support for financing the rebuilding of Europe and the establishment of NATO were doing it out of idealistic altruism (at least partly). The government isn't a monolithic entity, or even a tiny oligarchy; besides the executive's cabinet members, you have the 500-something members of Congress that the executive branch needed to negotiate with in.

Edited by MarqFJA on Nov 25th 2018 at 4:20:40 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#262843: Nov 25th 2018 at 5:47:24 PM

The financial system in the United States government was wholly different than it is 2018.

Securing formerly nationalized markets under Nazi control against the Soviet Union seems like it was probably a low low priority.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#262844: Nov 25th 2018 at 7:26:18 PM

In the United States, right-wing violence is on the rise

I'm sure this doesn't really surprise anyone here, but still got to keep in mind.

But I think it's pretty notable that despite total number of incidence decreasing since 1970, deaths have been increasing from them.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 25th 2018 at 9:28:04 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#262845: Nov 25th 2018 at 9:26:58 PM

The Trump administration will continue to ignore this, but it's good though sobering to know that we can cite concrete statistical evidence of our fears coming to pass.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#262846: Nov 25th 2018 at 11:43:30 PM

[up][up][up] It really wasn't. Why do you think the Marshal plan won over other ideas in the end? Why do you think the US really didn't like Russia even while technically allied with it? The common sentiment was that no matter how many died at the eastern front, it was a win for the US, because only a dead Russian was a good Russian.

Remember, back then, a there were already subsidiaries of American companies in Germany. Coca Cola is a famous example of that.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#262847: Nov 26th 2018 at 12:21:54 AM

60 Minutes discovered the Trump admin started a pilot "child separation program" in the later half of 2017, nine months earlier than we were told, in the El Paso area.

This is the Homeland Security order to arrest and detain all adults who crossed illegally to seek asylum. The copy released to the public was censored by the administration. But we've obtained what the White House didn't want the public to see. The document reveals that child separation began nine months earlier than the administration acknowledged. There was a pilot program in the busy "El Paso sector" from "July to November 2017". We don't know how many children were taken in those five months. The censored part of the memo explains a reason for the policy — deterrence — as it "will have the greatest impact on current flows" [of immigrants.]

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#262848: Nov 26th 2018 at 12:33:20 AM

Always nice when crimes against humanity are documented by the perps.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#262849: Nov 26th 2018 at 3:15:46 AM

Meanwhile, budget deficits are increasing and Trump's requests less deficits with more spending and no tax hikes. Apparently that's far from the first time Trump has flunked financial questions, too.

Also, When staffers sought to include an attack on Democrats’ Medicare-for-all proposals in Trump’s campaign speeches this fall, he initially blanched, two administration aides said. Medicare is popular, he said, and voters want it. Eventually, he agreed to the attack if he could say Democrats were going to take the entitlement away.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#262850: Nov 26th 2018 at 4:37:58 AM

That sort of view could have some ground in reality after WWII with what almost all of Europe in ruins and the USSR on the rise; nowadays however that's a very distanced view of reality. Just a reminder how backwards is Trump in terms of views.

Characterizing the USSR as being 'on the rise' after 1945 is a bit of a misnomer. It had lost one sixth of its population, half its industrial heartland and its breadbasket were in shambles, and while it had extended its territorial control to the Baltics, Poland, East Germany and Hungary, this only placed more of a burden on the Soviet system. Poland had been looted by the fascists, then by the Red Army. East Germany was in shambles after the push on Berlin. Hungary wasn't faring much better. All of it would need to be rebuilt, by a world power that was still suffering from its own economic woes.

The rot that would kill the USSR had already set in by 1945.

And NATO was never a protection racket. The US doesn't receive any funding for its military through NATO. The only thing the organization facilitates is arms trading, which is handy if you're the world's number one exporter of military equipment. It's also a way to further the reach of American power, always a problem for a nation with an ocean between any of its geopolitical rivals. The most you could argue was that the US leveraged its economic resources to pull European governments in a certain direction, but that's just empire business as usual.

Edited by math792d on Nov 26th 2018 at 1:40:21 PM

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.

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