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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Same story as before
I guess she's going for the "If you can't beat em,join em" tactic,if populism attracts the voters and you badly want to win no matter what it can be exceedingly tempting
Pity she couldn't resist the temptation because the haters will now seize on this very quickly,I wonder how long before she has to walk back on her statement?
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI'm willing to apply Hanlon's Razor here, at least for now.
Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Nov 25th 2018 at 11:52:16 AM
Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.Part of me is wondering if Clinton has decided either A) she's going to be hated no matter what she does so there's no point in trying to shift herself leftward, or B) since she's no longer interested in seeking any sort of political office, there's really no reason for her to shift leftward.
Or C) none of the above and I'm just talking out of my ass.
Who is she "joining" though? The right won't accept her, and this isn't really considered "populist" on the left.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Nov 25th 2018 at 12:16:35 PM
i'm tired, my friendI was thinking that d) might be that she thinks this will work as an election tactic in Europe against the far right.
Also, regarding The right won't accept her. Well, the US right won't accept her. The European one might.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanWhat good would the European right accepting her do for her?
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So basically, Then Let Me Be Evil? That isn't so much a dig at Clinton as it is me genuinely thinking that's what it sounds like, at least the way you worded it.
Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Nov 25th 2018 at 12:31:22 PM
Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.It doesn't matter. As Steve Bannon just discovered, there are rules about foreigners interfering in our elections. She can voice her opinion, but she can't get involved in the politic of the EU because she is not an EU citizen.
But independent of this, I really have no idea where Hillary Clinton would even fit in European politics.
I get that. I was just arguing against Lord YAM's a point about people "bending over and ignoring" things like this, because that's not a thing that generally happens when stuff concerns Hillary Clinton.
Edited by LSBK on Nov 25th 2018 at 2:01:39 PM
Is it OK if I take out the "Mitch McConnell is the Big Bad of US politics" drum again? 'cause this time around it's the criminal justice reform bill that has fallen afoul of him
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Everyone is now trying to pull back their donations to Mississippi senator candidate Cindy Hyde-Smith
, including the MLB (which is why this is an ESPN story).
The MLB kind of loses any sympathy points this would normally get considering they made their donation weeks AFTER she made those remarks. The same applies to the other retreating donors, if that's the case. And Hyde-Smith herself...well, an optimistic soul would hope this would be the straw that finally taught her the lesson, but I'm not that optimistic soul.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)Aye, that bill is somewhat weak
but even then it goes too far for that tosser...?
Something I forgot to say about Hillary last time: even if you pursue this morally disgusting path to appease the far-right, guess what, they're going to keep holding their nationalist marches, like Poland, and never be satisfied.
Life is unfair...It sounds to me like Hillary's shaken by 2016. Trump's biggest campaign platform was that stupid wall, so I wonder if Hillary thinks fear of immigrants is what drove the overwhelming Republican victory in 2016. Her logic train sounds like,
"We tried to defend the immigrants and the Nazis rode that controversy into power, endangering everything we'd ever fought for. The voting public has spoken; they'd rather see civil rights and economic progress dumped in a can and burned than give one inch to immigrants. Don't make the same mistake we made."
It's a fear response. She's as freaked out by Trump's win as everyone else, and that's a problem because people look to her for leadership and guidance. So when she gives up on immigrants, it gives her followers permission to give up on them as well.
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