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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#262776: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:10:18 PM

[up][up] I’ll point out that they weren’t “allowed to get away”, they were barricaded in by local law enforcement, dispersed by force multiple times, and then indicted for federal charges afterwards. Those charges were mishandled by a prosecutor and dropped later, but that’s a courts issue and not a cops issue.

I’ll also agree with what wise said that a middle ground would be ideal. There’s a whole lot of territory between “let them walk” and “kill them all”.

Again, you really only seem to be out for the satisfaction of a violent ending here. And that’s fine, but let’s not frame it as justice because that’s not what it is.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 24th 2018 at 6:13:13 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#262777: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:11:57 PM

Wait, why shouldn't police carry firearms? Of all countries, this would be the absolute last one I would ever want the LE Os to be less able to defend themselves than the citizens.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#262778: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:16:01 PM

Having police armed increases the chances of a shooting,especially among trigger happy cops that reach for the gun instead of having the discipline to only resort to violence as a last resort

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#262779: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:20:48 PM

...we’re saying arrest them. Prosecute them. Jail/fine them.
That's what I'm saying as well. It's just that it's also qualified with "and never let the threat of violent resistance prevent you from doing those things."

And honestly I think most police shouldn’t be carrying guns but that’s another discussion entirely.
That will last for as long as it takes for several unarmed police officers to die to someone with a murderous grudge against the police/government for no good reason (e.g. a crazy conspiracy theorist who hates the police for being "the lapdogs of The Man who is masterminding all the misfortunes in my life") who could've been stopped if any of them had a gun. Or for dozens of innocents to die at the hands of a mass murderer because it took too long for an armed police officer to finally arrive at the scene and shoot the rampaging killer (whether it ends with said killer's death or not).

Again, you really only seem to be out for the satisfaction of a violent ending here.
Strawman much?

Edited by MarqFJA on Nov 24th 2018 at 5:22:34 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#262780: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:24:17 PM

[up] Not at all, and your failure to engage on any of those points is telling. I understand getting frustrated at the current state of the world, but wishing violence on our opponents isn’t really something we should be getting into.

Also, though I believe police should carry guns, I’ll point out that many countries do not issue firearms to their officers and do just fine.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 24th 2018 at 6:25:37 AM

They should have sent a poet.
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#262781: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:25:21 PM

This is getting into derail/circular territory.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#262782: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:35:35 PM

[up][up]To be fair I've heard a fairly good explanation for why that works in some places and not others. With the UK, for example, a lot of its population is near urban centers where you can have the actual, armed police in just a few minutes.

Nor is it necessarily entirely accurate that they do just fine either-they arguably are putting their officers in considerable danger by disarming them. Guns are rare in the UK, but when criminals do acquire them the common patrolman is in a pretty bad situation.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Nov 24th 2018 at 6:42:21 AM

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#262783: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:41:35 PM

[up][up] Is this a call for us to end the argument by agreeing to disagree, or... what?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#262784: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:43:23 PM

If I need to get explicit? Yes. It's a call to move on. There are only bare touchpoints in American politics, and the various parties are making the same points over and over again.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#262785: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:52:06 PM

I have no objection to that... though I'd appreciate it if someone would explain what the term "touchpoint" means in this context (US politics-related or otherwise), because all I'm finding right now are definitions that describe it strictly in terms of a commerical business and its consumers, which definitely do not jive with the context of this thread.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#262786: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:54:26 PM

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. It’s certainly a sensitive subject, and it’s beginning to get off topic for this thread. The Law Enforcement Officer thread might be more appropriate, or maybe the General Politics thread.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 24th 2018 at 6:54:41 AM

They should have sent a poet.
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#262787: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:58:57 PM

Touchpoints, as in points related to US politics.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#262788: Nov 24th 2018 at 7:57:23 PM

OK, now I've managed to fully parse that sentence's intended meaning. Thank you very much.

... So, the last undecided Senate seat (Mississipi) is going to be decided in the special election on the 27th. What are the odds of each candidate, and is there any foul play being done by the state's GOP like in Georgia (fuck Kemp*)?

* Hmmm... Fuckemp?

Edited by MarqFJA on Nov 24th 2018 at 6:58:25 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#262789: Nov 24th 2018 at 8:02:48 PM

"The problem is the alt right is marketing themselves as the new counter culture (which I find laughable) and as therefor dangerous and that's why they're being "censored" and de-platformed. And they're not wrong, technically, but they use it to look good in front of their main audience.

"

Yet is why one need to counter them a every oportunity with speech in part, somehow we end in this weird idea of nazis being the new punk and progresives being "the men" here, how the hell that happen I dont know.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#262790: Nov 24th 2018 at 8:02:55 PM

[up][up]GOP candidate is probably going to win, but it's been getting closer because of some recent controversies, namely, "jokingly" saying she'd be in the front row if someone tried to hang her opponent, and also openly saying "liberal voters should be suppressed".

Speaking of which, there's another controversy with her attending a "segregation academy", though honestly I feel like that just reflects worse on her parents than she herself. Although, she lied about it so...

I'd post a link to it, but for some reason the site isn't letting me copy or paste anything.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 24th 2018 at 10:33:27 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#262791: Nov 24th 2018 at 8:27:50 PM

She also sent her daughter to an all-white (okay, technically they had one black kid and a couple Asian kids, out of several hundred students) academy in a 55% black city.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#262792: Nov 24th 2018 at 8:29:33 PM

Also, since I already mentioned it, is anyone else unable to copy or paste things to the site?

Actually, it seems more like I just can't use any right click functions at all for the site.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 24th 2018 at 10:31:50 AM

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Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did
#262793: Nov 24th 2018 at 8:36:29 PM

The Launceston Examiner newspaper had a political cartoon on President Walder Frey and...oh damn. Oh damn, savage and vicious are not strong enough terms to accurately describe the cartoonist's feelings over Saudi Arabia.

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Imca (Veteran)
#262795: Nov 25th 2018 at 3:45:16 AM

On the other hand, public universities have an educational mission to vet the information they expose their students to, so I think there is some wiggle room there.

I agree, but I was speaking 100% legally, and the answer is they do not. A public university sadly can NOT turn speakers away, because they are considered to be a goverment, and therefor bound by there part of the laws.

Its.... quite bothersome to there staff given the current political climate, but that's how it is. If you wanted to hold a seminar about how global warming is nothing but a globalist conspiracy, and you go through all the channels needed to do so (I don't know the accuracy behind speaking at a university, only the laws) they cant stop you even if it is 100% factually inaccurate.

Its a consequence of the no exceptions in free speech parts of US law that is now vetoed as a topic so I cant elaborate more sorry.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#262796: Nov 25th 2018 at 4:53:58 AM

And which part of the law exactly says that anyone has the right to hold a speech at a university? Like, would the Janitor have the right to hold a speech too? Could I go an hold a speech, and the University would be forced to organize if for me?

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A procrastination in of itself
#262797: Nov 25th 2018 at 5:31:39 AM

Yeah there’s a difference between the government not being allowed to stop you speaking (clearly banned) and the government being forced to spend government money helping you speaking.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#262798: Nov 25th 2018 at 8:33:11 AM

It depends on the motivations of the suppressor.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#262800: Nov 25th 2018 at 8:44:37 AM

[up] Is this the same story before or did she do something a second time?


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