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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#262726: Nov 24th 2018 at 8:26:49 AM

Outside of the government, there is also the organisation (I think Obama is supporting it) which is working on using every venue possible to make voting fairer.

Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#262727: Nov 24th 2018 at 11:15:50 AM

I keep seeing this word "de-platforming." Is it just a new way to say censorship, or is it different in some way?

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#262728: Nov 24th 2018 at 11:18:07 AM

Basically?

Censorship means stopping someone from talking.

Deplatforming is taking away their megaphone. You can yell your vile hatred, but no one owes you a stage and a mic.

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#262729: Nov 24th 2018 at 11:19:32 AM

It means not giving Nazis and other White Supremacists a Platform by which they reach a greater audience. Preventing them giving speeches at Universities, disrupting their rallies etc.

Edited by 3of4 on Nov 24th 2018 at 8:19:56 PM

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#262730: Nov 24th 2018 at 11:37:36 AM

Less actively preventing them, which feeds their victim narrative, and more "lets stop enabling them." Esp. at public universities.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#262731: Nov 24th 2018 at 11:54:17 AM

All of those things are literally censorship. Which is fine, because they suck, but call it what it is.

Edited by Friendperson on Nov 24th 2018 at 11:54:31 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#262732: Nov 24th 2018 at 12:00:00 PM

...universities don’t owe anyone a platform. Nobody “owes” you a platform. That’s not censorship.

I am not currently giving a speech on racism in higher education. If I demand to give one at my law school, are they obligated to give me an official event? If another student wants to give a speech about how great eugenics is, has he been censored if the law school says no? Are newspapers committing censorship by not publishing every letter to the editor?

Edited by wisewillow on Nov 24th 2018 at 3:00:49 PM

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Servant of the Omnissiah
#262733: Nov 24th 2018 at 12:04:46 PM

Unless the Government does it, it's not censorship. And the US Government isn't doing it. So calling it censorship is meaningless.

Now if the Federal or State Governments prevented someone from talking at a Government Office or at a Government Event, that's flat-out illegal. But not at a University, School, TV Show, Radio or anything else which is non-Governmental (and most are non-Governmental).

So no, no one is owed a platform to talk in such circumstances, and they can be told to STFU, STFD or GTFO. Simple as that.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Nov 24th 2018 at 3:04:59 PM

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#262734: Nov 24th 2018 at 12:13:10 PM

The definition of the word "Censorship", like the definition of so many other words, has been eviscerated by the internet. In gaming fandom, it's "the removal of any kind of content from a Japanese to an American release, no matter how inconsequential or who demanded it", in politics it's "not being able to say literally whatever I want without consequence".

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#262735: Nov 24th 2018 at 12:13:23 PM

Well, the question is what policy publically funded universities should follow.

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Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#262736: Nov 24th 2018 at 12:13:41 PM

[up] Fair enough. That makes good enough sense now. Private entities should be able to decide who to host and who to do business with.

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#262737: Nov 24th 2018 at 12:18:57 PM

And it just so happens that hosting nazis/white supremacists is a bad decision. From a PR perspective if nothing else.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#262738: Nov 24th 2018 at 12:51:07 PM

In gaming fandom, it's "the removal of any kind of content from a Japanese to an American release, no matter how inconsequential or who demanded it"

or why it was removed for that matter. But yeah, Censorship and the related boogeyman of the world going into a 1984-level dystopia has been used and abused to the point of meaninglessness. It might as well be a dogwhistle for a "wahh they took away the fanservice" or "wahh, they won't let me spread hate speech" temper tantrum at this point on the internet.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Nov 24th 2018 at 12:52:59 PM

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#262739: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:04:13 PM

Let's not get too carried away. There are valid points for why censorship of creative works is a bad thing.

Imca (Veteran)
#262740: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:13:12 PM

Well, the question is what policy publically funded universities should follow.

They have to follow the goverment ones, which is why you get so many Nazi speeches at universities where no one wants them there.... Not even the staff.

Public universities have to give them a stage because there considered a government institution, Private universities don't.

[up] Except its never that, it is always whining about them toning down the fan service, or removing things that are just hate.

Edited by Imca on Nov 24th 2018 at 1:14:21 AM

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#262741: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:36:45 PM

The main crux about Sony's new policy is that they are making the developers censor shit even if its not being released outside of Japan, which IS dumb.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#262742: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:52:25 PM

On the other hand, public universities have an educational mission to vet the information they expose their students to, so I think there is some wiggle room there.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#262743: Nov 24th 2018 at 3:05:00 PM

It is fairly easy. An University is a place for education. It is not a place for propaganda. And despite what the far right loves to claim, it is really not difficult to figure out what is what, nor are facts in any way a matter of interpretation, not even in terms of history. If someone is cherrypicking facts, he has no business to talk at any university, period.

That has nothing to do with censorship.

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#262744: Nov 24th 2018 at 3:17:05 PM

And @Marq JFA, you might get a kick out of this story - a 21-year-old Sovereign Citizen tried bringing a camera into a courtroom, something even news organizations generally aren't allowed to do, and became belligerent when told he couldn't. He wound up getting tased for it.
Hah! Now I can't wait to see when a "genius" sovcit decides to escalate things by insisting on their "sovereign right" to bring their gun to the courtroom and finds themself on the wrong business end of one or more policemen's own sidearms when they try to forcefully bring said gun with them, then get thrown into a cell while they await their trial (What are the charges they'd be guilty of, BTW?).

Except its never that, it is always whining about them toning down the fan service
And you believe the "whining" (a term which I take great offense to its application here, as it implies illegitimacy of the complaint) in such an instance is unjustified?

Edited by MarqFJA on Nov 24th 2018 at 2:17:34 PM

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#262745: Nov 24th 2018 at 3:18:29 PM

Yeah, it pretty much always is.

Oh really when?
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#262746: Nov 24th 2018 at 3:31:08 PM

Interestingly, sovereign citizens are considered the number one threat to LE Os in the US. They’re armed to the teeth and usually have no issue with shooting first and asking questions never, so police always use extreme caution when dealing with them.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 24th 2018 at 3:31:23 AM

They should have sent a poet.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#262747: Nov 24th 2018 at 3:32:52 PM

LEO = Law Enforcement Officers/Officials?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#262748: Nov 24th 2018 at 3:33:13 PM

And yet Cheeto "Blue Lives Matter" Benito slashes the federal budget to deal with far-right nutters. Go figure.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#262749: Nov 24th 2018 at 3:43:57 PM

[up][up] Yep. It’s the catch all term for anyone in the profession.

It’s actually well known in law enforcement circles that white nationalists, right wing extremists, sovereign citizens and their like are incredibly dangerous, for the sole fact that they’re way more likely to be armed than your average person.

They should have sent a poet.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#262750: Nov 24th 2018 at 3:55:05 PM

The problem is the alt right is marketing themselves as the new counter culture (which I find laughable) and as therefor dangerous and that's why they're being "censored" and de-platformed. And they're not wrong, technically, but they use it to look good in front of their main audience.

De-platforming also refers to getting people kicked off of Youtube and Twitter or other social media spaces. Which, as private entities that have their own rules regarding things like harassment, are frequently entitled to kick anyone off for any reason they please as that kind of thing is usually explicitly stated in their terms of service agreements. Such as what happened to Alex Jones fairly recently. Even though the rumor is they did it because he insulted like the CEO of Youtube or something, they cited the numerous harassment, lies, and slander he's committed in his time on the various platforms. (Frankly I don't think that blatant lies ought to be covered by free speech laws, considering that his lies outright led to at least one family having to move because they got harassed over this fucking shit.) Frankly, letting people like this on their platform is a bad look for a company, which is why they include clauses that let them kick you off for any reason they like.

I actually afked a bit ago while in the middle of the post so this feels slightly out of syng but whatever.


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