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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#262401: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:06:14 PM

[up]Deep red, but a lot of Utahans and Mormons really hate Trump, IIRC.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#262402: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:08:10 PM

Well, didn't stop them in the other four districts to voter overwhelmingly republican. I suspect that without some inherent sexism, this last vote would have gone the other way, too.

But still, I rather have one Democrat, even a right leaning Democrat, more in the house.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#262403: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:10:56 PM

[up][up]Not necessarily for the best reasons. I grew up in a Mormon family (though my immediate family has pretty much fallen off the wagon and all of us are either atheists or non-practicing), I've been to the state, and have several relatives in the Church. They place a high value on civility; what they object to is Trump's open crudeness and transparent bad character, but not really his and the GOP's reactionary policies in and of themselves. I doubt they feel the same way about say, Pence, because he hides his evil better.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 20th 2018 at 10:14:17 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#262404: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:12:56 PM

[up][up]Indeed, the only good Republican is a defeated one.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#262405: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:15:25 PM

@M84

The Republic of Gilead? Omnissiah's Cogs, that's the last thing I want to see Defictionalized.

You'd think someone gave the GOP a copy of the book "The Handmaid's Tale" and asked "Could we make it work?" And they said "Sure, we can give the thing a try."

[up][up] The few Mormons I've met don't really seem the type to agree with Trump, given that he's an offence to everything they stand for. But then again, maybe I'm mistaken.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Nov 20th 2018 at 9:17:29 AM

I hold the secrets of the machine.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#262406: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:16:10 PM

Atwood apparently made it a point not to put anything in the book that had not been done by a real society somewhere, at some point in time.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#262407: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:22:43 PM

[up][up]If Mormons are anything like the majority of white Evangelicals, they put getting their desired social policies into positions above everything else. Policy over principles.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#262408: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:27:17 PM

They tend to be a little better in putting more value on basic human decency, but like I said, it's mostly about appearances. Mc Millan ran as a protest candidate and got 21% of the vote. However, Donald still got 45% and if not for Mc Millan could have easily gotten more.

EDIT: To cement this even further, Donald did not win the republican primaries in Utah. But you know who did win? Cruz.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 20th 2018 at 10:40:02 AM

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#262409: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:42:02 PM

I'll never forget the feeling of relief turning instantly to revulsion when the token Republican at my office said she thought Trump was a nasty piece of work — then said she thought Ted Cruz was great, in nearly the same breath.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#262410: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:51:30 PM

Feelings over everything else. As usual. That goes for both sider-ists too. They go after atheists and environmentalists and other types of liberals not for being wrong, but for being annoying and ruining their fun, even if the liberals are right. That's the case with South Park. They equated being an annoying/uncharming liberal turd with being an actually dangerous conservative douche, and it's only now that they're seeing what happens when the douche wins. You'd think having Bush and then Obama would have taught them something. I'd rather be annoyed than get shot, thanks. But no, I guess what matters is if they're good on camera.

Edited by StarOutlaw on Nov 20th 2018 at 8:54:36 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#262411: Nov 20th 2018 at 6:56:11 PM

Good news...remember the tight race in Utah I mentioned just a few posts back? Well, the race has been called and Ben Mc Adams has edged out Mia Love 50.1 to 49.9.

House Republicans just got smaller and whiter. Love was the only black Republican woman among them.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#262412: Nov 20th 2018 at 7:51:52 PM

Why is she a Republican now in this day and age?

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#262413: Nov 20th 2018 at 7:52:12 PM

The GOP and its voter base are more or less abandoning all pretense at being anything but a white man's club.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#262414: Nov 20th 2018 at 8:40:33 PM

[up][up]Mormonism probably has a lot to do with it, and I think she's one of those "My parents were immigrants and they succeeded, therefore institutional racism and sexism don't exist" types.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 20th 2018 at 10:40:49 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#262415: Nov 20th 2018 at 8:44:38 PM

It probably does have a lot to do with Mormonism, yes. Also, "black conservatives" have been a thing for a long time, unfortunately.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#262416: Nov 20th 2018 at 9:08:20 PM

A lot of minority communities in the USA normally do lean conservative (especially older Asian ones — and I would know). They're pretty big on tradition and old-fashioned family values. But the GOP's increasingly obvious "whites-first" (if not "whites-only") mindset is alienating them.

Edited by M84 on Nov 21st 2018 at 1:08:56 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#262417: Nov 20th 2018 at 9:10:27 PM

I mean, I feel the need to remind everyone that no demographic is a monolith- both parties have some supporters from all possible demographics.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#262418: Nov 20th 2018 at 9:16:36 PM

[up][up]Case in point: prior to 9/11, the GOP apparently had a solid grasp on the muslim vote. Dubya even made a point to court arab-american voters to expand the GOP's constituency. In fact he went so far as to make a statement saying that they were a victim of racial profiling, which for a GOP candidate now would be utterly shocking.

Cue 9/11 and an increasingly islamaphobic platform? Not the case anymore.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 20th 2018 at 1:21:28 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#262419: Nov 20th 2018 at 9:20:15 PM

Basically people aren't just demographics, even if demographic information on them can give you a pretty good idea of which party they're more likely to support.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#262420: Nov 20th 2018 at 9:29:19 PM

That "abortion is punishable by death" bullshit should have its own culprits marked for the death penalty themselves for every woman they inflict said travesty on.

... Now there's an idea. Make a law that punishes with death anyone who is convicted of knowingly proposing and passing legislation that seeks to cause the deliberate killing of people for no possible reason other than racism, sexism or some other form of discrimination. Let's see how many of those scumbags try that BS again afterwards.

Edited by MarqFJA on Nov 20th 2018 at 8:33:51 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#262421: Nov 20th 2018 at 9:42:26 PM

[up]Yeah, no. The act of proposing such laws may be unconstitutional, but so is advocating for the deaths of those who propose them. Let's try and keep murder out of discussions of politics, shall we?

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#262422: Nov 20th 2018 at 9:44:44 PM

@Draghinazzo: That's actually kind of fascinating. It kind of implies that the current Islamaphobic platform is less a result of anything fundamental about the party, and more a result of the fact that they happened in to the party in power during 9/11. Which, when you consider what the 2000 election was like, wasn't exactly predetermined either.

So there's a glimpse into a startlingly different and surprisingly nearby parallel world in American politics.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#262423: Nov 20th 2018 at 9:46:10 PM

[up]If we're getting into parallel history territory, one could also argue that 9-11 might not have happened with a different administration — ie, one that actually took the warnings the intelligence community gave them more seriously.

But that's a whole different can of worms.

Edited by M84 on Nov 21st 2018 at 1:46:38 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#262424: Nov 20th 2018 at 10:51:37 PM

On Mia Love's defeat, I was surprised to learn that the district was actually represented by a Democrat before her; she actually ran twice and only won on her second time in 2014 when the incumbent Democrat retired.

So while her losing is still good, it's not all that unbelievable.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 20th 2018 at 12:55:56 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#262425: Nov 20th 2018 at 10:53:24 PM

That district might just be a bit more Blue than most of Utah.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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