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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Not necessarily for the best reasons. I grew up in a Mormon family (though my immediate family has pretty much fallen off the wagon and all of us are either atheists or non-practicing), I've been to the state, and have several relatives in the Church. They place a high value on civility; what they object to is Trump's open crudeness and transparent bad character, but not really his and the GOP's reactionary policies in and of themselves. I doubt they feel the same way about say, Pence, because he hides his evil better.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 20th 2018 at 10:14:17 AM
@M84
The Republic of Gilead? Omnissiah's Cogs, that's the last thing I want to see Defictionalized.
You'd think someone gave the GOP a copy of the book "The Handmaid's Tale" and asked "Could we make it work?" And they said "Sure, we can give the thing a try."
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The few Mormons I've met don't really seem the type to agree with Trump, given that he's an offence to everything they stand for. But then again, maybe I'm mistaken.
Edited by TechPriest90 on Nov 20th 2018 at 9:17:29 AM
I hold the secrets of the machine.They tend to be a little better in putting more value on basic human decency, but like I said, it's mostly about appearances. Mc Millan ran as a protest candidate and got 21% of the vote. However, Donald still got 45% and if not for Mc Millan could have easily gotten more.
EDIT: To cement this even further, Donald did not win the republican primaries in Utah. But you know who did win? Cruz.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 20th 2018 at 10:40:02 AM
I'll never forget the feeling of relief turning instantly to revulsion when the token Republican at my office said she thought Trump was a nasty piece of work — then said she thought Ted Cruz was great, in nearly the same breath.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Feelings over everything else. As usual. That goes for both sider-ists too. They go after atheists and environmentalists and other types of liberals not for being wrong, but for being annoying and ruining their fun, even if the liberals are right. That's the case with South Park. They equated being an annoying/uncharming liberal turd with being an actually dangerous conservative douche, and it's only now that they're seeing what happens when the douche wins. You'd think having Bush and then Obama would have taught them something. I'd rather be annoyed than get shot, thanks. But no, I guess what matters is if they're good on camera.
Edited by StarOutlaw on Nov 20th 2018 at 8:54:36 AM
A lot of minority communities in the USA normally do lean conservative (especially older Asian ones — and I would know). They're pretty big on tradition and old-fashioned family values. But the GOP's increasingly obvious "whites-first" (if not "whites-only") mindset is alienating them.
Edited by M84 on Nov 21st 2018 at 1:08:56 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised![]()
Case in point: prior to 9/11, the GOP apparently had a solid grasp on the muslim vote. Dubya even made a point to court arab-american voters to expand the GOP's constituency. In fact he went so far as to make a statement saying that they were a victim of racial profiling, which for a GOP candidate now would be utterly shocking.
Cue 9/11 and an increasingly islamaphobic platform? Not the case anymore.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 20th 2018 at 1:21:28 PM
That "abortion is punishable by death" bullshit should have its own culprits marked for the death penalty themselves for every woman they inflict said travesty on.
... Now there's an idea. Make a law that punishes with death anyone who is convicted of knowingly proposing and passing legislation that seeks to cause the deliberate killing of people for no possible reason other than racism, sexism or some other form of discrimination. Let's see how many of those scumbags try that BS again afterwards.
Edited by MarqFJA on Nov 20th 2018 at 8:33:51 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.@Draghinazzo: That's actually kind of fascinating. It kind of implies that the current Islamaphobic platform is less a result of anything fundamental about the party, and more a result of the fact that they happened in to the party in power during 9/11. Which, when you consider what the 2000 election was like, wasn't exactly predetermined either.
So there's a glimpse into a startlingly different and surprisingly nearby parallel world in American politics.
If we're getting into parallel history territory, one could also argue that 9-11 might not have happened with a different administration — ie, one that actually took the warnings the intelligence community gave them more seriously.
But that's a whole different can of worms.
Edited by M84 on Nov 21st 2018 at 1:46:38 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedOn Mia Love's defeat, I was surprised to learn that the district was actually represented by a Democrat before her; she actually ran twice and only won on her second time in 2014 when the incumbent Democrat retired.
So while her losing is still good, it's not all that unbelievable.
Edited by LSBK on Nov 20th 2018 at 12:55:56 PM

Deep red, but a lot of Utahans and Mormons really hate Trump, IIRC.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.