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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
... The CalDems had better do everything in their power so that the CalPubs have exactly two possible paths from now: Abandon the evil ideology the rest of their parent party has embraced and adopt an actually sane and non-reprehensible alternative, or effective non-metaphorical extinction as a state party.
Edited by MarqFJA on Nov 17th 2018 at 3:14:04 PM
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus."Adopt a sane and non-reprehensible alternative" is what the California GOP thinks they have to do. Apparently not unanimously, but they aren't winning shit by tying themselves to Trump so in the long run I think the "reformists" are going to win out.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 17th 2018 at 8:16:17 AM
They'd have more success in California with actual moderate republicans, like blue state governors Phil Scott and Charlie Baker. By now, people are tired of the same waffling politicians trying to pull away healthcare from millions and then pretend it never happened.
Not gonna happen, the Republican and Democratic Party have incestuously tied themselves into the electoral laws and thus a viable third party has no hope.
Furthermore, who would make up its base? The Republican base would just make it crazy and if Conservative Dems joined them then it would just split the vote and help the Republicans win.
This will only happen if we do extensive electoral reform and make third parties actually viable electorally.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangMaybe start off with an Enemy Mine then? Side with the Democrats to eradicate the current form of the Republican party, then take the mantle of the conservative party in its place.
ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.You wanna know what's funny? https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/11/17/rip-california-gop-republicans-lash-out-after-midterm-election-debacle-1000481?__twitter_impression=true
Arnold called it over a decade ago. Not that it was difficult to see it coming, but here we are.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 17th 2018 at 8:56:12 AM
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How sad to see Arnold lambasted for just proposing the GOP start treating minorities like equals and present them with policies they'd enjoy, instead of pawns whose rights should be traded in favour of more votes.
Edited by Grafite on Nov 17th 2018 at 1:01:33 PM
Life is unfair...![]()
And if they don't compromise, Califonia's branch of the GOP will be as dodos. I guess its a matter of if they care that much about their power in that state or not (or if Donald Trump s actually the baseline for their businessmen's intelligence
).
Edited by MorningStar1337 on Nov 17th 2018 at 5:07:35 AM
I mean he's going to be so smug that...I can't come up with an appropriate metaphor right now. It would have to defy normal physics.
ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.Speaking of Donald, he's treatening to stage a shutdown if he doesn't get funding for his wall.
I don't think we have to worry about it because even Mitch doesn't seem too thrilled about the idea, but seriously?
Hey, if Mitch is against the shutdown, then I'm all for it. Can't wait for it to blow up in the Government's face. Give the GOP a taste of it's own medicine after the stunts they pulled in the last eight years.
On the other hand, that would be spectacularly bad news for tons of government employees, as well as just about everything else related to the Government (which is plenty). So, YMMV.
Edited by TechPriest90 on Nov 17th 2018 at 10:39:16 AM
I hold the secrets of the machine.

Sure, I'll quote the important stuff.
The GOP not only lost every statewide office in the midterm election — again, in blowout fashion — but Democrats reestablished their supermajority in Sacramento, allowing them to legislate however they see fit
After major defeats in Orange County and the Central Valley, two longtime strongholds, Republicans will have a significantly smaller footprint on Capitol Hill. (Democrats hold both Senate seats.) When the vote-counting is finished, the GOP may not even have enough lawmakers in California’s 53-member House delegation to field a nine-person softball team.
“It’s dead,” Mike Madrid, a former political director of the California Republican Party, said of the state GOP. “It exists in small regional pockets, where there are enough white, non-college-educated working-class communities for there to be a Republican Party. But that’s not much.”
Other states tilt lopsidedly in favor of one party or the other. But never before has a state with California’s huge populace and enormous import — socially, culturally, economically — been so dominated by a single political party. The implications will take years to fully comprehend.
Conflict within the party is inevitable, pitting, for instance, coastal lawmakers against those from inland California, business-friendly Democrats against those advocating stiffer taxes and regulation, and lawmakers from affluent quarters against those representing more economically hard-pressed neighborhoods.
Political supremacy “doesn’t mean that everybody is in lockstep or singing kumbaya,” said Garry South, who spoke from firsthand experience, having been a strategist for former Gov. Gray Davis when he wrestled with fellow Democrats. “The basic nature of human beings is to compete and fight and have conflict and that doesn’t go away just because you have one-party control.”
Still, fratricidal feuding is not the same as a robust debate between parties, or the imperative to compromise with an empowered opposition.
“Degrees within a partisan tent isn’t quite like having another party with a contrasting philosophy,” said Roger Niello, a former GOP assemblyman from Sacramento who worked with Democrats to pass a 2009 budget-balancing tax hike under Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. “You need contrary views.”
If there is some solace for Republicans, it’s the notion that nothing lasts forever. Whether it’s overreach, complacency or internal division, single-party rule inevitably sows its own destructive seeds; eventually, the California GOP — or some entity promulgating its low-tax, limited-government philosophy — will claw its way back to power.
It can take time, as happened in Texas, where decades of Democratic hegemony gave way to decades of Republican rule, which, beginning in cities and now spreading to the suburbs, is showing signs of weakening. Or it can happen all at once, the way Schwarzenegger seized power from Davis in a lightning-strike recall catalyzed by anger over taxes and rolling electrical brownouts.
“There’s a point where there’s going to be pushback,” said Don Sipple, a media strategist who helped elect Schwarzenegger as well as his successor, Gov. Jerry Brown. “It may take the form of a center-right party, whether it’s Republican or something else. But the pendulum swings both ways.”
There's also one important part I somehow missed that might be the most interesting:
San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer jokes about the party’s sorrowful state: “Folks can go to the San Diego Zoo to see the endangered pandas and then visit San Diego City Hall to see one of the last California Republicans.”
Turning serious, he suggested that the way forward for the state GOP is an utter transformation into a party focused on practicality and problem-solving, shedding its anti-immigrant rhetoric, recognizing climate change as a serious threat and defining the Republican Party as something other than a rubber stamp for Trump.