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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
My honest feeling: If Donald J Trump wins a second term as President of the United States, the country will at that point deserve whatever it gets.
Once is an anomaly, something that can be course corrected like we're currently doing. But after two more years of what we've already had, with clear outrage even from his own side from time to time, after victories like the last midterm, I feel like Trump getting reelected would be a monumental failure for all involved.
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 15th 2018 at 3:37:56 AM
Considering there's recent news of her criticizing ICE for appearing KKK-like, I highly doubt it. Granted, it is mainly conservative news sites that are reporting on it.
Given how massively unpopular he is, at that point it would also mean the institutions meant to guard democracy in the US have eroded to the point where they're no longer able to function anymore.
Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 15th 2018 at 5:40:21 AM
@ sgamer82
Let's get something clear: Trump is ultimately symptomatic of a greater problem in the USA, and that's related to the victory of Reagan's capitalism at the end of the Cold War. His entire speech appeals to those that want to see the USA lording the world without regards of other countries, or at the least the ones that don't "matter".
Edited by raziel365 on Nov 15th 2018 at 2:46:34 AM
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.I think the problem goes way, way further back the Reagan. I mean, after WWII, it didn't take long for the main European countries (which didn't have it already) to introduce healthcare for all one way or another. Why didn't the US? And why didn't they learn anything from the Nazis and were comfortable with treating people like second class citizens?
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Truman pushed for it throughout his terms, but a coalition of republicans and southern democrats held fast against it, decrying its cost (a talking point for the democrats to cover the more obvious reason; it would mean a faster path to desegregation), and of course "COMMUNISM".
Edited by carbon-mantis on Nov 15th 2018 at 6:02:33 AM
Let's get something clear: Trump is ultimately symptomatic of a greater problem in the USA, and that's related to the victory of Reagan's capitalism at the end of the Cold War. His entire speech appeals to those that want to see the USA lording the world without regards of other countries, or at the least the ones that don't "matter".
I'm not saying we do... yet. It's only of we, as a nation, fine him power twice in a row, knowing all we do now and what will come. If most people want him and he's reelected anyway, then it's a massive failure as well on the part of those wanting to stop him
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:17:39 AM
I'm actually curious if Trump getting elected despite losing the popular vote might be the thing that spurs serious changes in our election system (obviously after he's out of power, whenever that is).
If so, while Trump being president will still have been terrible, that's some good to have been a result of it. Even if it would have obviously been better if he could have been avoided entirely.
Of course, the problem is that doing away with the Electoral Collegue would be setting a timebomb if done wrong because that could make the cities the prime seats of election while the countryside could be completely ignored in the presidential campaign.
Edited by raziel365 on Nov 15th 2018 at 3:28:12 AM
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.

That's fair
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