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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Opposition to Pelosi is not automatically wrong or equal to the most stupid denominator.
I agree that the Sit-In was likely a bad move, but painting her full Guilt by Association style isn't exactly great either.
Give her a chance to grow into the job and gain that experience, mmkay?
"You can reply to this Message!"I think the problem is that Tucker Carlson lying is normal and the Media being credulous muppets who take unfounded right-wing lies at face value is also normal.
It's obviously bad but it's the sort of problem that I don't think anyone of us has any idea how to solve, so there's not much conversation to be had there. That and the thread moves quickly enough that if we don't latch onto a topic it'll die pretty much immediately.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang![]()
It's a bad move to engage in a protest against your own senior colleague. Especially when it's practically the first move of your career.
Tucker Carlson being a lying shitbag and the media taking him at face value? Yeah, that's pretty much "water is wet". It's disgusting, but not surprising.
Edited by M84 on Nov 14th 2018 at 11:18:16 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedYeah, I think it's rather fair to judge her for it.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangAccepting media failure to take white supremacy seriously is not good. It’s shifting our idea of normal. We can’t rely on mainstream media to keep balanced; they’re shifting right ward. NY Times and Wash Po are both a hot mess; activist-journalists are trying to fill some of the gaps, but they don’t have the same audience and institutional respect, so it’s tricky to accurately assess the credibility of each individual on various issues.
I won’t say it was a good move, but the dogpiling can get old, and can carry, even unintentionally, a whiff of condescension.
Oh God! Natural light!Keep in mind that Pelosi already believes that we need to do something about climate change
. Ocasio-Cortez is protesting to the choir, here, presumably in the hopes of claiming it as a "Win" when Pelosi proceeds to do what she was already going to do anyway. It's like protesting Trump by demanding that he build a wall or protesting Obama by demanding healthcare for Americans.
This is political grandstanding. Ocasio-Cortez is a Sanders-style Democrat, more concerned with being seen fighting "Establishment Dems" than actually helping us win against the Republican agenda.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.RE: Ocasio-Cortez protest
I don't know about anyone else, but being approached and asked "Hey, mind helping me with [x topic]? I'd appreciate it" generally gets a much better response than "Help me with [x topic], or I'll do [y negative thing]."
The latter approach has actually gotten me to do (or not do) something out of pure contempt for the way it was "requested", since complying with it would just encourage its use in the future.
And I'm saying this as someone who thinks someone besides Pelosi should be Speaker.
Edited by ironballs16 on Nov 14th 2018 at 10:32:04 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"No.
She's the one who decided her first political office ever should be to the United States House of Representatives. Ocasio-Cortez thrust herself into the deep end. We are under no obligation to wait for her to figure out how to swim.
This is literally the same argument Republicans made for Trump. "Give him a chance to grow into the job! The President of the United States just needs some time to learn how politics work."
Being President, Senator, Supreme Court Justice, or House Representative for the federal government is not an entry-level position.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 14th 2018 at 8:35:23 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Well, I personally find that I have learnt a lot over the last 2+ years about Trump and the GOP's vileness and the underlying reasons for it from NYT or Wa Po and what Democrats can or should do to stop it. Conversely, many lefty publications are still obsessed with acting that they're too cool for Democrats (kinda like what Ocasio-Cortez is doing now at Pelosi's place), denying everything about Russian involvement, praising anti-Western dictators like Assad no matter how heinous they are, and generally being a divisive force among the very people that should be uniting against Republicans.
Not saying mainstream media is perfect (Wa Po in particular has a nasty proud Trump supporter frequently showing up in the op-eds) but I think I know whose reporting I'll stick with.
For what it's worth, I also usually read The Atlantic and Vox.
Edited by Alycus on Nov 14th 2018 at 7:42:31 AM
I'm pretty busy, but I think I've got time to post quickly.
On Ocasio-Cortez: I'm with Wise Willow. I'm not going to say weather strategically this was a good move, but I will say two things.
One: For all we know, she may yet have already talked in private.
Two: All of you should take a minute and realize you put here on the level of Ojeda (a Trump supporter) and Sanders (blasted recently for the whole 'Racists aren't really racist' thing) because she...(checks notes) protested Pelosi. ...Uh... Sometimes, I think y'all are more obsessed with proving the more Left Wing candidates wrong than actually compromising with them.
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Then what is an entry level position? Because President I understood, Governor a bit less, but now Congress?
Congress is a good entry level position. You individually don't matter much there, but you can gain valuable experience later.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Nov 14th 2018 at 10:41:33 AM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerFrankly, the whole Tucker Carlson story most likely just fell by the wayside with everything else which is going on, between the whole election/recount reporting, the firing of Sessions, the attack on Acosta, Trump making an a... out of himself yet again in front of the US allies and Macron's speech. Even North Korea's nuclear program barely garnered any attention. And nobody is talking about the story of Trump apparently meeting with the leaders of the Baltic states back in spring and thoroughly confusing them by talking about the war they are supposedly responsible for until they realized that he doesn't know the difference between "Baltic" and "Balkan".
And I am convinced that this is by design. Trump is basically hiding scandals with scandals, which a lot of people can use to slip through the cracks.
I do agree with Tobias here. If she's not used to how Congress as a culture of individuals works, sure; that's fair. Any group of people is going to have its own ebb and flow. But if you want to be an intern and learn on the job in Congress, apply for... a Congressional internship. Or local government.
It's also just common sense. You don't park yourself outside the CFO's office on your first day at work and shout about how you don't like her financial policies.
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Yes please, let’s move on, lest shitting on Oscasio-Cortez become the new pasttime of the thread.
Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Nov 14th 2018 at 10:59:51 AM
Oh God! Natural light!No, she put herself on the level of Sanders. She did that when she worked on his Presidential Campaign, then ran to unseat an "Establishment Democrat" in the midterm primary with Sanders's endorsement, and then campaigned around the country with Sanders propping up more primary candidates like themselves - most of whom got creamed
either by "Establishment Dems" or Emily's List candidates.
For instance, Brent Welder, who Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez tried unsuccessfully to get in as Democratic nominee for Kansas's 3rd district. That race was ultimately won by their Democratic primary opponent, Emily's List candidate and first LGBTQ Native American woman elected to Congress, Sharice Davids.
Ocasio-Cortez has been a Sanders Dem from the start. There's nothing untoward about comparing her to him.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 14th 2018 at 8:55:05 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.A preview of today's What the Fuck Just Happened Today feed:
Rep. Elijah Cummings says one of his first priorities when Congress returns will be to investigate why the Trump administration decided to add a question about citizenship to the 2020 census. "There are certain things that mandate that we look at immediately. One of them is the census, because that’s right around the corner," Cummings said. Last month, Cummings asked for an official probe into why the Commerce Department added the question to the census, which critics say could serve to depress responses to the census from immigrants, many of whom live in Democratic-leaning communities. (Reuters)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-census-idUSKCN1NJ1FW
Trump berated British Prime Minister Theresa May when she called Air Force One to discuss the midterm results with him. He criticized May for not doing enough to contain Iran after the U.S reimposed sanctions, and he questioned her approach to Brexit. He also complained that U.S. trade deals with European nations were not fair. U.S. and E.U. officials said May's aides and the Prime Minister herself were shaken by the call. (Washington Post / Newsweek)
Sure they were shaken...mostly because the UK is baking on the mythical (non-existent) "special relationship" with the US to weather the storms of Brexit. May is currently like an animal in a trap, desperately looking for a way out but unable to take the obvious one (which is cancelling Brexit or calling for a people's vote in the hope that this will cancel Brexit).

There's only one comment on that article, but it's gold: