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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261701: Nov 14th 2018 at 12:42:02 AM

I'd be taking her more seriously if she and the other protesters did so in front of the offices of politicians who are a lot more committed to ignoring and denying climate change than Pelosi. Like, say, damn near every GOP Congressmember.

As it is, this reeks of populist "anti-establishment" pandering bullshit.

In general I've become pretty biased against so-called "progressives" opposing Pelosi, given that the person they tried to put up to primary Pelosi was a racist sexist old jackass.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:44:10 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#261702: Nov 14th 2018 at 12:47:44 AM

...Pelosi might actually listen, at least

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#261703: Nov 14th 2018 at 12:48:00 AM

Gotta agree. Right now is not the time for infighting. It's time to gather the team together and get a platform to push for, so if we get a trifecta, we can ram said platform through.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261704: Nov 14th 2018 at 12:50:08 AM

[up][up]She would probably have listened without the need of a protest that seems to have done nothing but reinforce the bullshit narrative that the Democratic Party is falling apart.

Ocasio-Cortez could have simply approached Pelosi like a damn professional. Instead, she had to pull this publicity stunt.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:51:42 AM

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#261705: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:01:00 AM

Yeah. She does realize that she works for Congress now, right? She's allowed to talk to her colleagues about maybe sponsoring a bill, and doesn't have to sit outside the Speaker's office making a scene?

Unless this is about getting more attention on her and showing how the real progressives stand up to the Corporate Slave Democrats. But who would do such a thing?

It's been fun.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261706: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:02:26 AM

[up]

Unless this is about getting more attention on her and showing how the real progressives stand up to the Corporate Slave Democrats. But who would do such a thing?

Ocasio-Cortez.

Edited by M84 on Nov 14th 2018 at 5:02:47 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#261707: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:04:02 AM

I have seen nothing indicating that AOC actually organized the protest, only that she came over to them in support of their push for green job policies.

Acknowledging political activists is not going to destroy the Democratic Party.

Edited by Eschaton on Nov 14th 2018 at 1:04:22 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261708: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:04:41 AM

[up]She led a sit-in and ditched it before arrests started happening.

And why am I not surprised that the Justice Democrats were part of this?

Between Sanders' recent "racists aren't really racist" gaffe, Odeja "former Trump voter, likely NRA shill, and economic anxiety believer" thinking he ought to be President, and this...I'm once again reminded of how some self-proclaimed progressives can be frustrating.

Edited by M84 on Nov 14th 2018 at 5:07:27 PM

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#261709: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:37:44 AM

@M84: It's a foregone conclusion that the GOP congressmen won't listen to them about climate change, so the natural course of action is to put pressure on democratic leadership to tackle climate change once they're back in power.

Life is unfair...
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#261710: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:45:52 AM

But they already have been and have been doing so consistently for years.

They don't need reminding.

Oh really when?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261711: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:46:36 AM

[up][up]Or here's an idea. Wait until they are actually in power to do it. Getting a House majority was just one step. All it does is help make sure the GOP can't do more damage than they could before.

You want to show you care about climate change? Protest against the people who are actively preventing any progress from being made. Don't protest against the people who are your best chance of actually getting shit done!

Edited by M84 on Nov 14th 2018 at 5:48:31 PM

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#261712: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:57:29 AM

Like I said earlier, they're more interested in inflating their egos or getting good leftie points than actually getting serious legislative work done.

Oh really when?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261713: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:58:08 AM

I guess I own someone a cookie...haven't done my Christmas backing yet, though.

Good job to the Democrats for flipping yet another district. Has anyone an idea how long it will take until the other 9 races are finally decided? And what the current count/situation in Georgia is?

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#261714: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:27:31 AM

Figures one of the self-proclaimed "progressives" would rather start shit within their own party rather than collaborate with them.

i'm tired, my friend
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#261715: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:33:01 AM

Well, it's important to remember that for all her dynamism on the campaign trail, Ocasio-Cortez is still a know-nothing as far as bureaucracy goes. She's going to have to learn to be more collegial with her allies if she wants to accomplish anything in the House. Honestly, I don't think there's any rhyme or reason to this sit-in. She's just acting out for publicity because that's how things worked before. But when she's going back to her constituents empty-handed, it's not going to be a good look, so she'll have to learn, as all freshman Reps will.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#261716: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:36:50 AM

Also there is some legitimacy is being annoyed at Democratic leadership for having climate change be such a low priority, it didn’t make the list of democratic priorities that was released and that’s something one can legitimately take issue with.

Now this is the wring way to go about the issues, but that’s kinda to be expected for freshman congressmen, hell as she’s yet to be sworn in Cortez presumably doesn’t have an office of her own yet from which to make calls.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#261717: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:43:42 AM

...y’know, I’m a bit frustrated at the apparent willingness to immediately fling a young, poor woman of color under the bus for not being sufficiently deferential to an old, rich white woman with tremendous political power.

Is Ocasio-Cortez a genius of tact and diplomacy? Well, no. She’s 29. She’s just been elected. And yeah, eventually she’ll probably ditch Justice Dems, given that she seems far smarter and more interested in being productive.

But I don’t see the harm in her trying her best to fight for what she believes, especially given the importance of addressing climate change, and I think the dismayed and condescending reaction here to a perhaps ill-thought out protest is excessive and rather insulting.

Like, almost no one commented on how concerning it is that centrist and left wing journalists were taking Tucker Carlson at his word WITHOUT CHECKING THE POLICE REPORT, but we’ve got almost a full page scolding Ocasio-Cortez for maybe annoying Pelosi by protesting wrong.

Edited by wisewillow on Nov 14th 2018 at 8:47:33 AM

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#261718: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:48:07 AM

It's just... why would you bother protesting the people who are on your side? Protest the people who actually deny climate change, not the people trying to help stop it. It just seems like a dumb move, and a waste of time and effort for no real reason aside from upsetting the rest of her party.

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#261719: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:50:16 AM

It doesn't take much thought to realise that once elected, it's unproductive to protest against your own colleagues. One, it looks awful and anyone who's just been through an election has no excuse to not acknowledge media spin; two, it's unprofessional.

It doesn't matter who you're doing it against if your first action as an elected official is to protest your own party. You need to show some willingness to work with your colleagues in anything.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#261720: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:50:18 AM

I mean, it’s more effective to protest people who are on your side. You can’t argue with a brick wall. There is literally nothing Ocasio-Cortez can do to get Paul Ryan to endorse actively fighting climate change.

Pelosi, though? Worth a try.

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#261721: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:54:40 AM

I'm not giving Ocasio-Cortez a pass for her behavior when we have scum like Seth Moulton (my own Representative) maneuvering to oust Pelosi. We just won the fucking House, let's show a united front. We always do this. We win and then we throw it away when grasping New Meat think they know everything.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Nov 14th 2018 at 8:56:08 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261722: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:55:29 AM

I don't think that pointing out that this is the wrong approach equals "flinging her under the bus". She'll learn. Nobody here is screaming for hunting her out of office.

It's also less about her than about the Democratic party as a whole. This is not the time for in-party fighting.

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#261723: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:58:09 AM

[up][up][up]you know what would've been even more effective?

"Hey, Ms. Pelosi, I have some ideas about how to fight climate change. How about if we..."

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Nov 14th 2018 at 8:58:39 AM

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#261724: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:58:36 AM

Honestly, I see the next two years as the Democratic Party building its platform and messaging for the 2020 race. We can't pass new legislation without Republican support, so it's more a question of establishing an identity. A healthy internal debate is important to this process.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#261725: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:59:29 AM

I’m a bit frustrated at the apparent willingness to immediately fling a young, poor woman of color under the bus for not being sufficiently deferential to an old, rich white woman with tremendous political power.

I think it’s less that and more simply that a number of people are at the point where they automatically assume that anyone disagreeing with Pelosi is wrong and out to cause trouble. Due to the fact that the vast majority of people who disagree with Pelosi are fascists, Russian operatives, trolls, entitled twits or privilege-blind idiots the automatic assumption upon someone disagreeing with Pelosi has become that Pelosi is right and that the other person falls into one of the earlier categories.

I’d point out to people that Cortez isn’t a congresswomen yet, she doesn’t have the resources of a congressional office at her disposal to try and make contact, she won’t be sworn into office until January, she probably doesn’t even have a security pass yet.

[up][up] You’re assuming that Pelosi would take a call from a brand new congresswomen who hasn’t even been sworn in yet.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 14th 2018 at 2:01:28 PM

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