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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#261526: Nov 12th 2018 at 4:52:34 PM

And trying to be the Democrat presidential candidate despite never having voted for the party...

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#261527: Nov 12th 2018 at 4:54:31 PM

Democratic Presidental candidate

Trump voter

Uh...

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#261528: Nov 12th 2018 at 4:55:29 PM

Seems like a swell guy. I think he's going to have a bit of an issue convincing anyone to back him, considering he seems to hate a lot of Progressive values. Hell, he'd probably get further running AS a Republican.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Nov 12th 2018 at 7:58:17 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#261529: Nov 12th 2018 at 4:56:33 PM

I believe he voted for Trump in 2016, and then regretted it afterwards and became a critic. Whatever that's worth.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#261530: Nov 12th 2018 at 4:58:40 PM

[up]If he plans to run as a Dem, it's still bad optics.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#261532: Nov 12th 2018 at 4:59:39 PM

The Orange Doofus is already demanding a stop to the recounts in Florida, with the usual side order of outlandish claims. A quote of his tweet:

The Florida Election should be called in favor of Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis in that large numbers of new ballots showed up out of nowhere, and many ballots are missing or forged. An honest vote count is no longer possible-ballots massively infected. Must go with Election Night!

Edited by MarqFJA on Nov 12th 2018 at 4:00:50 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#261533: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:00:17 PM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2018/11/12/day-662/

Day 662: Infected.

1/ Trump called for Florida to suspend its legally required recount and declare the Republican candidates for Senate and governor the winners of their respective races. Without evidence, Trump claimed that "many ballots are missing or forged," and that "an honest vote count is no longer possible – ballots massively infected. Must go with Election Night!" In the governor's race, unofficial results showed Ron De Santis leading Democratic mayor, Andrew Gillum, by 0.41%, and in the Senate race, Republican governor Rick Scott leads incumbent Democrat Bill Nelson by 0.14%. Florida's 67 counties are required to complete their recounts by Thursday. (ABC News / The Guardian / Washington Post / NBC News / CNBC)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-florida-ballots-massively-infected-demands-end/story?id=59136811

The election overseer for Palm Beach County in Florida says there is no way the machine recount will be finished by Thursday's deadline. "It's impossible," said the supervisor of elections. Both parties seem to agree that completing the recount in time to meet the deadline is not going to happen. Palm Beach County GOP Chairman Michael Barnett said the inability to meet the deadline was "good news for Republicans because our candidates are ahead." (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/11/politics/florida-recount-palm-beach-county/index.html

Stacey Abrams filed a new lawsuit in federal court asking a judge to delay Georgia's vote certifications by one day to give officials time to count any votes that were wrongly rejected. If the suit is successful, officials would have until Wednesday to restore at least 1,095 votes that weren't counted. Neither campaign can agree on how many votes remain to be counted. (ABC News)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/democrat-abrams-files-suit-georgia-governors-race-59127768

2/ Without evidence, Rick Scott accused Bill Nelson of trying to "commit fraud to try to win this election." State elections and law enforcement officials say there is no evidence suggesting Scott's allegations are true. Florida's Senate race is one of three statewide contests headed to an automatic recount after the unofficial deadline for counties to report results passed. (The Guardian / CNN / Politico)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/florida-recount-republicans-claim-fraud-democrats-call-scott-dictator/index.html

Gillum withdrew his concession to Republican former Rep. Ron De Santis in the Florida governor's race. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/10/politics/andrew-gillum-withdraw-concession-florida-governor/index.html

Nelson called on Scott to recuse himself from "any role" in the recount that will determine the winner of their race. The recount is overseen by Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner, a Republican who was appointed to his position in 2012 by Scott. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/nelson-charges-scott-undermining-florida-election-demands-he-recuse-himself-n935291

Scott has filed at least five lawsuits against county election officials alleging that some ballots were counted after the Saturday noon deadline and requesting that voting tabulation equipment be impounded after the machine recount is completed. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/11/politics/rick-scott-florida-election-senate/index.html

An ethics complaint asserts that Scott broke state law when he held a press conference in front of the governor's mansion on Nov. 8 to claim that he would not "sit idly by while unethical liberals try to steal" his Senate race. A group of Florida voters and organizations have also filed a lawsuit that alleges Scott has abused his power as governor for threatening to not count legal votes. (Politico / Buzz Feed News)

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2018/11/11/democratic-group-says-scott-misused-state-office-to-interfere-with-election-691727

3/ Trump properties received at least $3.2 million during midterms from campaigns and PACS. The Republican National Committee spent at least $1.2 million at Trump properties while the Trump campaign has spent more than $950,000 at the properties since the start of 2017. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/10/politics/trump-properties-campaign-spending-2018-midterms/index.html

4/ A year before Jamal Khashoggi was killed, Saudi intelligence officials close to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman discussed using private companies to assassinate enemies of the kingdom. Saudi officials have claimed that Khashoggi's death was a rogue killing ordered by an official who has since been fired. Turkish officials say Mohammad al-Otaibi, Saudi Arabia's consul general in Istanbul at the time, as an accessory to the killing of Khashoggi has been established through his early denials and refusal to give investigators access to the consulate after Khashoggi's disappearance. Otaibi was not among the Saudis arrested or fired. (New York Times / Washignton Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/senior-saudi-diplomat-in-istanbul-when-khashoggi-was-killed-drops-out-of-sight/2018/11/12/85f8e406-d7b1-11e8-8384-bcc5492fef49_story.html

Canadian intelligence has heard the audio recordings of the killing of the Khashoggi. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country had shared the audio recordings with a number of countries, including the U.S., France, Germany and Saudi Arabia. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed that his country's intelligence services have listened to the recordings. (NBC News / NPR / BBC)

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/12/666945209/canada-has-heard-recordings-of-khashoggis-death-trudeau-confirms

5/ North Korea has continued its ballistic missile program at 16 hidden bases identified in new satellite images. The existence of the ballistic missile bases contradicts Trump's assertion that North Korea was "no longer a nuclear threat" following his June summit with dictator Kim Jong Un. (New York Times / Wall Street Journal / CNN / Washignton Post)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/north-korea-hidden-missile-bases/index.html

6/ Michael Cohen and his criminal defense lawyer, Guy Petrillo, met Robert Mueller's investigators. Cohen's meeting with Mueller's team is the latest in a series of sitdowns since pleading guilty in August to federal criminal charges, including campaign contribution violations related to payments to two women at Trump's behest. Cohen has participated in multiple interview sessions totaling more than 40 hours with investigators from Mueller's office and federal prosecutors in New York City. (ABC News / CNBC)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-president-trumps-personal-attorney-mysteriously-arrives/story?id=59141826

poll/ 61% of Democrats see Republicans as "racist/bigoted/sexist." 31% of Republicans say they view Democrats the same way. (Axios)

https://www.axios.com/poll-democrats-and-republicans-hate-each-other-racist-ignorant-evil-99ae7afc-5a51-42be-8ee2-3959e43ce320.html

Notables

Trump doesn't want to give any more federal relief funding to Puerto Rico, because he thinks the island's government is using the relief money to pay off its debt. It's not. (Axios)

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-federal-funding-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-c9e4edc8-2365-40be-af36-8d91463578d6.html

Trump blamed California's wildfires on "poor" forest management despite nearly 60% of California's forests being under federal management. He also threatened to cut off federal funding due to "gross mismanagement." (ABC News / NBC News)

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-threatens-pull-federal-funding-california-wildfires-gross/story?id=59102371

Democrats in the House have at least 85 different topics for potential subpoena and investigation, including Trump's taxes, his role in payments to two women who alleged that they had affairs with him, his family business, and his targeting of the press. One senior Democratic source said the Democrats are preparing a "subpoena cannon." New York Democratic Rep. Jerry Nadler added that if Trump is found to have violated campaign finance laws with hush payments, it "might very well be an impeachable offense." (Axios / ABC News / The Guardian / CNN)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-democrats-plan-review-trumps-role-hush-money/story?id=59127265

Trump blamed the stock market downturn on the prospect of "Presidential Harassment by the Dems." (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-blames-downturn-in-stock-market-on-expected-investigations-by-democrats/2018/11/12/3f000658-e691-11e8-b8dc-66cca409c180_story.html

Half of the Republicans who wrote the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act are no longer in Congress. Of the 24 Republican tax-cut authors, four lost their seats in the midterms, three retired, three ran for another office, and two left mid-term. (Yahoo News)

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/half-house-members-wrote-trump-223224107.html

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 12th 2018 at 6:00:38 AM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#261534: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:02:36 PM

'Voted for Trump and then regretted it afterward' is worth exactly what you get scraping your shoe off after stepping in a dog turd. Yeah, we regret your vote too, buddy.

Edited by RedSavant on Nov 12th 2018 at 8:02:45 AM

It's been fun.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#261535: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:03:02 PM

Excellent, so Arizona has successfully gone purple then.

Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 12th 2018 at 8:03:17 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#261536: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:05:22 PM

[up][up]Exactly. The guy bought Donald's snake oil and helped sink the country. It's good that he realized his mistake and all, but that doesn't mean he can run for office.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#261537: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:08:14 PM

You know, looking at Ojeda again, I don't know how much of it's hatred then just plain not giving a shit. Not that it matters to me, I'd be extremely hard pressed to think of a scenario in which I'd vote for him at all. Like, his reason for dropping his support of Trump was that W. Virginia didn't see enough of a benefit. Not, you know, the obvious racism and bigotry?

Yeah, no thanks. I'd take Andrew Cuomo before him, and that should tell you something.

Or, put more succinctly, [down]

Edited by AzurePaladin on Nov 12th 2018 at 8:19:55 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261538: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:16:55 PM

Yeah, Ojeda can piss off.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#261539: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:27:02 PM

Now, to be fair, if pure selfishness leads one to abandon Trump, I see that a good thing. No candidate can hope to win if they can't get any votes from the selfish.

And with this guy is particular... the stigma of being a Trump voter is probably too much for him to overcome for him to have a chance of getting the nomination, but he seems like a decent enough guy; certainly a better face for the WV Democrats than Manchin. So while I don't really want him to be President, I do hope his political career goes places.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261540: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:32:21 PM

[up]If he wanted to primary Manchin, that'd be one thing. But he's saying he should be the Democratic Party leader and President.

So he can fuck off.

Shit, his pro-gun rights stance (read: I will pander to the NRA and fuck the students who want gun control) and his working class stance (read: I still buy into the "economic anxiety" narrative) are also dealbreakers for me.

Edited by M84 on Nov 12th 2018 at 9:34:21 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#261541: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:46:09 PM

So this guy is trying to Bernie Sanders his way to the Democratic nomination without any of the (limited) cred Bernie had...yeah, not seeing him go far.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#261542: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:50:51 PM

Yeah, I'm with M84. Those are very telling stances for him to hold.

It's been fun.
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to.
#261543: Nov 12th 2018 at 5:54:49 PM

From the little I've read, he comes off as an "outsider" who thinks they can magically do a better job than the people who are better qualified just cause they have their head up their booty hole.

Don't catch you slippin' now.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#261544: Nov 12th 2018 at 6:04:11 PM

Ojeda is a dinosaur with respect to his pro-gun, pro-coal views, simplistic populist rhetoric, and economic anxiety narrative, with special emphasis on DINO.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#261545: Nov 12th 2018 at 6:10:06 PM

Why is he even a democrat then?Sounds like he'd be more at home among the Republicans

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#261546: Nov 12th 2018 at 6:11:58 PM

You might as well ask the same of Manchin. DINO's are nothing new.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#261547: Nov 12th 2018 at 6:14:32 PM

The GOP is conceding the Arizona Senate race.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/sinema-arizona-senate-race/index.html

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261548: Nov 12th 2018 at 6:21:29 PM

[up][up]And at least Manchin, as bad as he is, isn't presumptuous enough to think he should be the party's leader and President (or at least he realizes there's no chance in hell of him pulling it off). Manchin knows he won't be able to get many votes outside of WV.

Edited by M84 on Nov 12th 2018 at 10:22:02 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#261549: Nov 12th 2018 at 6:24:19 PM

[up]x3,x4 Blue Dogs. Democrats from Southern states who mostly vote conservative to please their mostly conservative voter base, but swing blue enough to technically be Democrats.

They should have sent a poet.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#261550: Nov 12th 2018 at 6:26:06 PM

I don't even particularly mind having to run Blue Dogs, but after the Kavanaugh vote to say I'm displeased with the guy would be an understatement.


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