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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261426: Nov 11th 2018 at 4:46:24 PM

Honestly, if the candidates in the states which got lost had actually presented themselves as DEMOCRATS instead of pandering to the Republican base, the result might have looked very differently.

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#261428: Nov 11th 2018 at 4:48:13 PM

Evidently, it doesn't.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#261429: Nov 11th 2018 at 4:56:37 PM

So your standard "sorry you read this the wrong way and got offended" nonpology?

Exactly right.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261430: Nov 11th 2018 at 5:23:22 PM

[up][up][up] Not if you can elect the original instead. It is a fallacy you can observe again and again. The only thing which happens when parties try to win voters back from the far right parties by copying their playbook, is that they lose their moderate voters without really weakening those far right parties. Quite the opposite, but picking up their talking points they suggest to the voters that they have a point.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#261431: Nov 11th 2018 at 5:26:53 PM

Energizing your base is the key thing.

Yeah, you can't win a candidate with super progressive positions everywhere and win, and convincing certain voters can be good, but you have to give your base what they want first and foremost.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261432: Nov 11th 2018 at 5:32:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf-p0FWDZ8U

This was Donelly's add...can you really blame Democrats for NOT coming out to vote for him? Especially after he voted the worst candidate ever into supreme court?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#261433: Nov 11th 2018 at 5:37:45 PM

Oh, I thought he voted against Kavanaugh.

Either way, yeah, that ad is bad.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261434: Nov 11th 2018 at 5:44:49 PM

[up] Didn't he vote for him once it became clear his vote wouldn't be a deciding one?

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#261435: Nov 11th 2018 at 5:47:48 PM

Donnelley did vote against Kavanaugh, although he publicly waffled back and forth on the issue. You're thinking of Manchin, who was re-elected without enough ease that his vote on Kavanaugh probably didn't matter one way or the other.

But yeah, Donnelley's attempts to court the Right is probably why the Dems lost Indiana, which should've been fairly easy for them to hold.

Edited by Gilphon on Nov 11th 2018 at 8:49:30 AM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#261436: Nov 11th 2018 at 6:37:52 PM

Manchin’s re-election was closer than predicted, it’s not doing much for my faith in humanity that the only red state democrat to keep their seat without fuss (Montana was to close to call for the entire night) is the one voted for Kavanaugh.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 11th 2018 at 2:38:24 PM

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#261437: Nov 11th 2018 at 7:08:05 PM

Yeah, but that's apparently those are kind of margins Jon Tester normally gets in Montana- and meanwhile, Heidi Heitkamp ran a distinctly flawed campaign in North Dakota, and Missouri was always gonna be a toss-up. Indiana and Florida were the only states that didn't behave as expected.

And really I think Indiana is the only state where you can confidently claim that the Kavanaugh vote mattered- Donnelley droving off the Left by trying to court the Right, and failed to court the Right because he ultimately voted against Kavanaugh. Is a plausible enough narrative.

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#261438: Nov 11th 2018 at 7:27:32 PM

Donnelly... gahhhh. He doesn’t have whatever charisma keeps Manchin popular. I’d be interested to see if Indiana had less of a democrat turnout percentage than, say, Texas. Cause Indiana democrats weren’t super hyped for Donnelly.

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A procrastination in of itself
#261439: Nov 11th 2018 at 8:30:44 PM

[up][up] Thinking about it I’m wondering if Florida actully behaved predictably and we just got our predictions wrong.

I mean in the end Florida went all sorts of weird and is going to a recount, that’s pretty bloddy predictable at this point.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#261440: Nov 11th 2018 at 8:32:28 PM

I also expect Florida to be a disappointment, again. What else do you want from the state where all the old crotchety white people go to spend all their money?

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 11th 2018 at 12:32:58 PM

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#261441: Nov 11th 2018 at 8:40:08 PM

Most polls had the Florida senate race as either a toss-up or gave Nelson a very slight edge. It being a very close election is no surprise, though no one's ever going to explicitly predict "this one will be close enough to trigger recounts".

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#261442: Nov 11th 2018 at 8:47:32 PM

[up][up] I mean, half the state did spend a lot of effort trying to get Gillium and Nelson (returned in Nelson's case) in office. So, the entire state wasn't a disappointment...

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#261443: Nov 11th 2018 at 8:54:25 PM

I mean, in a vacuum, this is totally a typical result for Florida, but Florida being this stubbornly Florida-ish in an election where most of the other states that are normally Purple states are leaning Blue is somewhat notable.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#261444: Nov 11th 2018 at 9:10:55 PM

In more comforting news, the state victories in New Mexico, Illinois, and Michigan mean all three states will be joining the US Climate Alliance, which is dedicated to reaching the goals of the Paris Climate Agreement after Trump took us out. That makes 20 members with almost half the US population.

Edit: Make that 21. Wisconsin is on board too.

Edited by Parable on Nov 11th 2018 at 9:13:05 AM

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#261445: Nov 11th 2018 at 9:40:34 PM

Managing to break even in the Senate would be amazing. It would eliminate the one place we took a hit in this election. Sure, we won't have the majority, but remember: Every seat we occupy is one fewer Republican we need to convince to defect on a given matter.

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#261446: Nov 11th 2018 at 9:49:59 PM

You know what sucks? If we hadn't lost those three Senate seats, and we had also still managed to flip Nevada and Arizona, we totally would've obtained the majority.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#261447: Nov 11th 2018 at 9:53:45 PM

Yeah, but a Senate majority was always the longshot. So, while it may suck, not getting it wasn't unexpected.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 11th 2018 at 10:54:05 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#261448: Nov 11th 2018 at 9:59:52 PM

It became increasingly unlikely that we would not win North Dakota as the weeks went on, I'm afraid - I had already written it off by Election Night. The other losses, however, were a bit more unexpected, if not entirely unforeseen - Florida's losses have been particularly disappointing, assuming the recount doesn't pan out in our favor.

Out of curiosity, how would you guys say that Heitkamp ran a disappointing campaign? And is there any word on when we'll get final results for the Arizona race?

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Nov 11th 2018 at 1:01:14 PM

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#261449: Nov 11th 2018 at 10:10:58 PM

Kyrsten Sinema's lead is opening up. As of 8 PM Eastern, it was up to 32,000.

We probably won't know until Wednesday, but this sudden windfall of Democratic votes bodes well.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Nov 11th 2018 at 1:11:29 PM

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#261450: Nov 11th 2018 at 10:16:58 PM

[up][up]What I was referring to, specifically, was this story- Heitkamp ran an ad with names of sexual assault survivors, and then it came out that said sexual assault survivors hadn't given their permission for their names to appear in said ad.

Which is, of course, not a great look.


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