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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#261201: Nov 9th 2018 at 3:31:23 AM

[up][up][up]Im not really sure what someone from “the middle” of the party would even look like. Most of the base seems to be looking for a more left leaning candidate anyway, though probably not Bernie himself.

As for race results, the N.Y. Times election dashboard still seems to be up to dateish.

Edited by Mio on Nov 9th 2018 at 6:31:54 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261202: Nov 9th 2018 at 3:42:28 AM

[up]Well, someone who doesn't fish for Republican voters and is not in the pocket of big donors but is also not so far left that he or she spends more time attacking other Democrats than Republicans.

I guess someone along the line of Elizabeth Warren? Though I would prefer someone younger...

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#261203: Nov 9th 2018 at 3:45:32 AM

This is late, but the reason that white women vote for Trump/Republicans seemingly against their best interests? Because in their minds, they are white before they are women.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261204: Nov 9th 2018 at 3:48:36 AM

[up] Honestly, listening to them, I have come to the conclusion that it is simply tribalism. Meaning they grew up in Republican households, are most likely married to a Republican husband and are just not ready to admit to themselves that the party they supported all their life is not all cracked up in the end. They are like Brexiters or like football fans, who aren't ready to admit that the red card their player got was completely fair.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#261205: Nov 9th 2018 at 4:08:18 AM

[up]That still primarily stems from racism. You talk to them long enough and you’d be surprised (or not) at how much casual racism they will divulge. Hell, some of them might even be motivated by the idea that there might be consequences to them openly expressing their casual racism (“political correctness is getting out of hand”!).

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261206: Nov 9th 2018 at 4:17:33 AM

[up] It's pretty easy to fall into the Anti-SJW trap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69obN625Fjs

The video makes a great point that it is some form of conspiracy theory which is very easy to slip into step by step.

And don't get me wrong here, I am sure the longer you talk to them, the more questionable views you will find. But (without wanting to invoke the "both sides" argument), you can do the same with a lot of democratic voters. Hell, as we have just tested out, you can do it with Bernie Sanders.

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 9th 2018 at 4:19:16 AM

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#261207: Nov 9th 2018 at 4:34:09 AM

There's another school shooting. This time right in my neighborhood.

An article from the local news agency.

It's incomplete but I can tell you from what I heard on the ground here that it's a sniper on the roof of the school and they've been exchanging fire with police.

No official reports of injuries or deaths yet but one of my friends who works at a local emergency room says they've been told to prepare for incoming casualties.

To the best of my knowledge, at the time of this posting, the shooter is still alive.

Oh really when?
Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#261208: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:22:04 AM

Something is deeply sick at the core of our society. What drives man to cause murder and mayhem for his fellow man?

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#261209: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:24:05 AM

Thankfully, it's looking like this might be a false alarm and a bunch of hysteria.

I'm entirely too old for this.

Oh really when?
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#261210: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:25:18 AM

Honestly, listening to them, I have come to the conclusion that it is simply tribalism. Meaning they grew up in Republican households, are most likely married to a Republican husband and are just not ready to admit to themselves that the party they supported all their life is not all cracked up in the end. They are like Brexiters or like football fans, who aren't ready to admit that the red card their player got was completely fair.

I will point out that a major source of tribalism in America before nationalism is racism, so you're right but so are they.

There's a reason that the strongest indicator for support for Trump is being white. Because a shit ton of white people in America are racist.

Thankfully, it's looking like this might be a false alarm and a bunch of hysteria.

I'm entirely too old for this.

Personally, I'm young enough that this is just normal for me, some days it rains and others a degenerate shoots up a school. It's just something that you acknowledge and try not to get rained on or shot.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 9th 2018 at 8:29:37 AM

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#261211: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:29:08 AM

I'm old enough to remember when this was not normal. I still remember when Columbine was a huge deal.

Man, I feel old.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#261212: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:30:52 AM

Swanpride: FiveThirtyEight. Lots of statistics, pretty accurate predictions for how elections are likely to break down. Also covers sports.

Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#261213: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:39:26 AM

I think you guys are a little disillusioned. No one thinks this is normal. We've been pretty anti-murder since we became a society.

Edited by Friendperson on Nov 9th 2018 at 5:40:10 AM

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#261214: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:41:22 AM

[up]Yeah but half the country doesn't feel the impetus to change things beyond "thoughts and prayers"

Which means it becomes the new normal.

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#261215: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:42:07 AM

It happens every few weeks and there's a segment of the US that has so fetishized owning a deadly weapon that one of the major political parties trips over itself to please them and oppose anything related to gun control on every level. Not helped by the limited wording of the amendment guaranteeing this or Scalia saying that only part of the amendment wording matters.

It's happened enough to be normal.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#261216: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:45:13 AM

[up][up][up]It certainly is starting to feel normal, and frankly when the resources to carry out an attack are readily avalible and nothing short of actually turning schools into max security prisons can really deter those determined/ deranged enough we really shouldn’t feel too surprised.

Edited by Mio on Nov 9th 2018 at 8:45:35 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261217: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:47:16 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]Thanks. At least I have now an idea when there will be more information for some of the races.

I wonder about something regarding the Mississippi senate race...I know that this is a really red state and the Democrats have an underdog chance at best to flip it but, well, with everything which is currently going on, is there a chance that democrats will be more motivated to go to a run-off election?

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 9th 2018 at 5:50:49 AM

Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#261218: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:54:45 AM

i think we have enough rules and regulations regarding firearms. We need our local and state governments to actually, y'know, enforce them and hold them accountable. Parkland happened because the police failed to investigate the most obvious shooting attempt ever.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261219: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:59:39 AM

[up] In some state you have, in some you don't. And there are obvious loopholes which need to get closed, too. The gun show loophole is just the most obvious one.

In addition, I think that you need more than just purchasing rules. I think that you need what equals a nationwide driver licence for guns.

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 9th 2018 at 6:00:03 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#261220: Nov 9th 2018 at 5:59:52 AM

[up][up] We don’t really have enough regulation, and the regulations we do have are all over the place in terms of what they actually regulate. Just look at the drama regarding short barreled rifles, or unrifled weapons.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 9th 2018 at 6:00:03 AM

They should have sent a poet.
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#261221: Nov 9th 2018 at 6:00:25 AM

There aren't enough regulations so long as it's legal for people to just leave guns lying around where children can shoot themselves accidentally. If these things are going to be owned they need to be taken care of properly.

Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#261222: Nov 9th 2018 at 6:01:43 AM

[up] So what would that entail? More training? Random safety checks of households? Public lockers only accessible during a certain period of time?

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#261223: Nov 9th 2018 at 6:06:43 AM

Re: US gun violence normalization

As a Canadian looking at the US from the outside, I remember when Columbine was a huge deal. It dominated the airwaves when it happened and everyone was talking about it. These days, I see a headline about mass shootings and my first thought is that it's just the US doing US things. Sorry, if it comes off as being insensitive but it's exhausting to be continuously alarmed at things that seems to happen every other week.

Edited by nightwyrm_zero on Nov 9th 2018 at 9:07:16 AM

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#261224: Nov 9th 2018 at 6:07:03 AM

[up]How about with least effort and enhanced background checks on a federal level and adding previous violent behaviour as disqualifying behaviour.

Mandatory training as well.

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Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#261225: Nov 9th 2018 at 6:12:32 AM

[up] We already have those. You have to have a background check if you're purchasing a gun from a federally licensed dealer. Once again, the issue is lack of enforcement and reporting of records.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/gun-background-check-nics-guide/

From the article: According to a Bureau of Justice Statistics report, at the end of 2014 there were 7.8 million active-warrant records in state warrant databases, but only about 2.1 million such records in the NCIC database.

That's how people slip through the cracks.

Edited by Friendperson on Nov 9th 2018 at 6:12:48 AM


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