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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#261176: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:33:20 PM

[up]Reminds me of a conversation I had with a white millennial woman the day after the election.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#261177: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:36:06 PM

Meanwhile my Mom didn't want to vote for Hilary because HER EMAILS! That and Bhengzai.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#261178: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:39:19 PM

Way back on Arizona, remember that there are still 200,000 ballots left to count. It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#261179: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:39:21 PM

My mom voted for Trump because... immigration, I guess? She thought she got passed over for work in favor of Latinx immigrants, but considering how difficult even other Americans found her to work with sometimes, who's to say where the truth lies...

Do not obey in advance.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#261180: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:48:49 PM

I can't watch the video. What's the argument?

Oh really when?
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#261181: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:51:24 PM

Hillary was Obama and Obama didn't deliver the unicorns like they thought he would, so Trump it was.

Also Clinton was to white women what Clarence Thomas is to black people. I don't even know how to parse that.

Edited by Parable on Nov 8th 2018 at 10:51:50 AM

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#261182: Nov 8th 2018 at 10:56:38 PM

They thought that Hillary was the white female equivalent of an "uncle Tom", I guess?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#261183: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:00:47 PM

There's a sort of point there - you can be black and want representation but also obviously want it to be good representation in a way that Clarence Thompson, Ben Carson, etc. aren't.

But, like, Hillary Clinton is in no way a comparable example to that for white women. Or she shouldn't be, and that she is seen that way is due to some pretty deep-rooted problems.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 8th 2018 at 1:09:05 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261184: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:02:26 PM

Deep-rooted problems exacerbated by decades of propaganda to demonize her.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#261185: Nov 8th 2018 at 11:12:19 PM

Here's some unexpected welcome news: A federal judge has blocked further construction of the Keystone pipeline.

Edited by Parable on Nov 8th 2018 at 11:12:36 AM

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261187: Nov 9th 2018 at 1:02:39 AM

I didn't really pay attention to US politics during the primaries, but Sanders annoyed the sh... out of me during the race and his supporters even more. I saw the danger that the left fighting with each other could get Trump elected. And since then I have realized that a lot of the Sanders support has been artificially created by Russian trolls.

I just HATE the "if they had picked Sanders Trump wouldn't have won" narrative, because as far as I can tell, it's not true. They would have just flipped the narrative and convinced the voters that Hillary was betrayed in favour of some old white man with some pretty sh... views on minority issues.

Anyway, I stumbled over the "the democrats are always finding additional ballots" narrative yesterday. Which makes me wonder about the Florida race. Maybe they should compare the number of registered voters with the number of votes cast. Because remember, what the Democrats are accused of tends to be what the Republicans are doing.

Also, can someone point me to a good website where I can keep an eye on the races left? Especially Florida....

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 9th 2018 at 1:14:37 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#261188: Nov 9th 2018 at 1:24:50 AM

There's also the statement in the episode that white women don't have the same kind of sense of solidarity blacks do.

Phrased, "(Rich) White women hate each other." Hillary being a rich white woman attracted the ire of other rich white women.

Which I don't agree with but it's a comedy.

It's actually a subplot on Veep that Selena Myer (the protagonist) is hated primarily by white women as her biggest issue among voters. Being a mother, millionaire, family woman (which she sucks at but pretends otherwise), politician, and lawyer—the show says she makes them all spiteful rather than inspired.

But I don't understand why my mother, a Southern woman college professor, hates Hillary with a burning fury while voting for Obama two times plus Hillary's husband.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 9th 2018 at 1:28:36 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261189: Nov 9th 2018 at 1:31:33 AM

Let's not get distracted here. Internalized sexism is a thing, and you are way more likely to find it in woman who grew up well-off and largely protected from the more live threatening effects of systemic sexism. Not to mention that the more fundamentalist Christians tend to be sexist and racist by definition.

It is beyond me how any women can vote for Trump but what gives the Republicans the win above everything else are white guys.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#261190: Nov 9th 2018 at 1:33:24 AM

This is true.

I suppose it's more the fact that if a fraction of Trump's women voters had voted differently, Hillary would be above and beyond the top.

But good point.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#261191: Nov 9th 2018 at 1:36:38 AM

I can't understand why white women would want to vote for Trump either; does "grab 'em by the pussy" mean nothing to them? Of course, I know that the real answer is racist resentment after Obama's presidency.

Do not obey in advance.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#261192: Nov 9th 2018 at 1:38:49 AM

I can't understand why white women would want to vote for Trump either; does "grab 'em by the pussy" mean nothing to them? Of course, I know that the real answer is racist resentment after Obama's presidency.

The Riddler in Arkham Asylum explained a lot about life when he said the key to dead baby comedy is simple, "It's not my baby." In this case, most women don't think of Trump's victims as them or their loved ones potentially so they don't care.

They're more threatened by the brown people.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#261193: Nov 9th 2018 at 1:57:47 AM

I just HATE the "if they had picked Sanders Trump wouldn't have won" narrative, because as far as I can tell, it's not true. They would have just flipped the narrative and convinced the voters that Hillary was betrayed in favour of some old white man with some pretty sh... views on minority issues.

There's that, but the main issue with the media narrative for Trump vs Sanders would be that it'd be framed as capitalism vs socialism instead of Trump vs Clinton's "two people no one wants". Sanders would have been wrecked

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#261194: Nov 9th 2018 at 2:13:04 AM

Technically speaking, we don't have enough useful data on whether Sanders vs Trump would have ended with the former's win or not.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#261195: Nov 9th 2018 at 2:16:48 AM

Sanders lost the popular vote in the primary. I think that says enough

Oh really when?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#261196: Nov 9th 2018 at 2:17:54 AM

I'm just going to say that I have a hard time believing someone who couldn't beat HRC would be able to beat Trump.

Aside from his other problems, Sanders legitimately wasn't a very good campaigner. He really shouldn't have hired Jeff Weaver to run his campaign.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#261197: Nov 9th 2018 at 2:25:31 AM

I think Hillary winning just required her to campaign in the Rust Belt, which she inexplicably decided not to do....and she lost there.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#261198: Nov 9th 2018 at 2:55:23 AM

Honestly, what Hillary might or might not have done doesn't matter, because she won't campaign again. But Sanders might. And I don't think that he should, if he cares about the US he should step back and support a Democrat from the middle of the party.

So...anyone knows where I can check the state of counting for the last seats?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#261199: Nov 9th 2018 at 3:13:21 AM

538 would be a good place as is enWikipedia.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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