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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#259551: Oct 31st 2018 at 1:26:33 PM

...that’s way over the line.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#259552: Oct 31st 2018 at 1:42:51 PM

> Nothing's gonna get better unless you vote, you pieces of garbage.

I'm sure non voters appreciate being compared to garbage

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#259553: Oct 31st 2018 at 1:46:20 PM

While true that isn't a productive position and should not be supported.

It just lowers the discourse of the thread and doesn't actually accomplishing anything positive if used.

Something like this ad is far more effective, show the cost of not voting and hope to encourage enough people to vote. Berating them while understandable is not productive and thus not truly righteous.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#259554: Oct 31st 2018 at 1:50:44 PM

Armed militia and far-right activists are raising money and announcing plans to head to the border: https://www.apnews.com/6cb0dae384cd45ddb9efe49a6aab1789

I have to wonder, what would happen if the military there opened fire on the militia/far-right activists or vice-versa?

Edited by CookingCat on Oct 31st 2018 at 1:54:11 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#259555: Oct 31st 2018 at 1:52:20 PM

There would be a shoot out and people would get hurt,someone might die,same as in any accident involving guns

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#259556: Oct 31st 2018 at 1:54:36 PM

[up] But how would the GOP try to cover that up?

Edited by CookingCat on Oct 31st 2018 at 1:54:48 AM

Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#259557: Oct 31st 2018 at 2:00:36 PM

[up] Antifa/armed thugs hired by Soros/liberal extremists drunk on Fake News/some combination of the above, launching a cowardly False Flag attack on the brave defenders of our great nation (regardless of who fires the first shot)

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#259558: Oct 31st 2018 at 2:01:44 PM

[up] Antifa/armed thugs in military outfits and/or confederate, MAGA and Nazi clothes. Right. And since when do Antifa carry firearms or show their faces?

Edited by CookingCat on Oct 31st 2018 at 2:05:25 AM

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#259560: Oct 31st 2018 at 3:00:08 PM

Thing is, the military at the border wouldn't be opening fire on anybody. Because the military is only going to the border to provide logistical support. Any shooting will more than likely be done by actual border security, unless the MAGA idiots are suicidal enough to try to storm a compound.

[down]As someone who actually knows what this border mission entails because my fellow guardsmen were actually sent on this mission, I would kindly ask you to not denigrate our military by associating all of us with alt-right scum.

Edited by danime91 on Oct 31st 2018 at 3:28:39 AM

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#259561: Oct 31st 2018 at 3:14:09 PM

There is zero reason for the military at the border and MAGA activists to fire on each other. They're on the same side and they're going there for the same reason.

The far more likely scenario that we all should hope does not happen is that one or both groups fires on the caravan.

On that note: VOTE.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 31st 2018 at 4:14:56 AM

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#259562: Oct 31st 2018 at 3:19:01 PM

Most of the military probably won't even be armed. They're there to build tents and generally fuck around and ignore whatever comes across the border.

They're barely more than a token gesture from the Pentagon sent only so they can say they never technically disobeyed any orders from the President.

Just like they do with most of his demands.

Oh really when?
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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#259564: Oct 31st 2018 at 3:21:50 PM

They'll send the national guard in all probability

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#259565: Oct 31st 2018 at 3:22:05 PM

I'll point out that there's been a military presence at our border for a very very long time, both democrats and republicans have signed off on troops there. Trump is just insisting there be more of them, despite having been apparently informed multiple times that they don't really want or need more troops. Basically, there's gonna be 30 dudes working in the motor pool instead of 10.

If a bunch of militia types show up they're quickly going to find themselves in way over their heads. That's a firearms or impersonation charge waiting to happen. In my experience with law enforcement, even the most conservative officer doesn't take kindly to armed civilians trying to do their job. It's stupid and dangerous. Hopefully they will be waved off with extreme prejudice, or better yet arrested and charged with the aforementioned crimes.

They should have sent a poet.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#259566: Oct 31st 2018 at 3:29:46 PM

So, the MAGgots are gathering.

Yeah, best possible thing to do would be for the cops to disperse them. The majority of the cops don't want a bloody incident on the border, even the racist cops who want the caravan to stay out.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#259567: Oct 31st 2018 at 3:32:34 PM

The #1 situation I can imagine violence breaking out between militias and the government here would be the militias breaking laws while over there. Impersonation is plausible. Another could be if they illegally harm others.

The GOP has several options for how to respond to this, including “ignore it entirely”, “call it a false flag”, say “sure is a good thing we sent the army there!”, or call them extremists and distance yourself from them. In their shoes I’d do the last 2.

Leviticus 19:34
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#259568: Oct 31st 2018 at 3:52:07 PM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2018/10/31/day-650/

Day 650: Maximum harm.

1/ The suspect in the shooting that left 11 people dead at a Pittsburgh synagogue was charged in a 44-count indictment with murder, hate crimes and other offenses that could bring the death penalty. Robert Bowers entered the Tree of Life synagogue armed armed with Glock .357 handguns and a Colt AR-15 rifle, and told police he was there to "kill Jews." (Washington Post / Associated Press)

https://apnews.com/84f773e3dc26491dbc5e2f01a64ac2a5

2/ Pipe bomb suspect Cesar Sayoc "conducted a domestic terror attack," according to federal prosecutors. Sayoc researched the addresses of his targets online and had photos of them on his cellphone. Sayoc allegedly intended to "maximize harm" to his 15 targets. Justice Department prosecutors said Sayoc began planning the "domestic terror attack" in July while living in his van, which was covered with photos praising Trump. (NBC News / ABC News)

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/doj-pipe-bomb-suspect-searched-targets-photos-online-58872566

3/ The Trump administration doesn't plan to renew the anti-domestic terror program, which funds the development of new approaches to prevent terrorism before it begins. The Department of Homeland Security said it has no plans to continue the program past the end of its funding in July 2019 and has told grant recipients that the funding was a "one-time" opportunity. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-will-apparently-not-renew-program-fight-domestic-terror-n926361

4/ Jamal Khashoggi was strangled and dismembered as soon as he entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul as part of a premeditated plan to kill the Saudi journalist and dispose of his body, according Turkey's public prosecutor. The statement from Irfan Fidan is the first official description by a Turkish official about Khashoggi's death and follows two days of meetings with Saudi Arabia's top prosecutor, Saud al-Mojeb. A senior Turkish official said Mojeb did not give Fidan the location of Khashoggi's body or the identity of the "local collaborator" who helped dispose of the Khashoggi's remains. The Saudis have shifted their story about Khashoggi's fate, initially denying any knowledge, then suggesting that "rogue" killers were responsible for Khashoggi's death, before acknowledging that Khashoggi was killed in a premeditated murder. (CNN / Bloomberg / Washington Post / Associated Press)

https://apnews.com/7b064bec9b1448d7b2c1ec259b37503c?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

A group of Republican senators want to stop to talks on selling U.S. nuclear power equipment to Saudi Arabia in response to the Khashoggi killing. (Bloomberg)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-31/nuclear-talks-with-saudis-should-be-suspended-republicans-say

5/ Trump may deploy 10,000 to 15,000 military personnel to the border with Mexico in response to the caravan of Central American migrants. The deployment would double the number of active-duty troops operating there, and be roughly equivalent to the size of the U.S. military's presence in Afghanistan, and three times the size of the presence in Iraq. Yesterday, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said that the military was deploying 5,239 troops to support the Department of Homeland Security and Customs and Border Protection, in addition to the 2,092 members of the National Guard already there. (Washington Post / Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/31/trump-triple-troops-border-952644

6/ Trump blamed former White House Counsel Don Mc Gahn for Robert Mueller's appointment. Trump surprised Mc Gahn in August by tweeting Mc Gahn's planned departure on Twitter, since Mc Gahn had not discussed his plans with Trump directly. Mc Gahn has also cooperated with Mueller's probe, participating in several interviews spanning 30 hours. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/31/politics/mcgahn-trump-mueller/index.html

The Senate Intelligence Committee is investigating Steve Bannon's activities during the 2016 presidential campaign, looking into what Bannon might know about any contacts between Russia and George Papadopoulos and Carter Page. (Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-bannon/u-s-senate-panel-investigates-former-trump-aide-bannon-sources-idUSKCN1N52RU

poll/ 31% of voters ages 18 to 34 say they will definitely vote this month, 26% say they'll probably vote, and 19% say they will probably or definitely not vote this year. (NBC Gen Forward)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/record-turnout-not-millennials-just-third-say-they-ll-vote-n926231

Notables.

Facebook approved fake political ads by reporters posing as all 100 U.S. Senators. Facebook added a"Paid for by" transparency disclosure to political ads to indicate to users who paid for the ads that show up in their news feeds. The "Paid for by" feature is easily manipulated, however, allowing anyone to lie about who is paying for a political ad, or to pose as someone paying for the ad. (Vice News)

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/xw9n3q/we-posed-as-100-senators-to-run-ads-on-facebook-facebook-approved-all-of-them

Trump attacked Paul Ryan for saying Trump "obviously" can't end birthright citizenship with an executive order. "Paul Ryan should be focusing on holding the Majority rather than giving his opinions on Birthright Citizenship, something he knows nothing about!" (New York Times / Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-presses-on-with-case-to-end-birthright-citizenship-one-way-or-the-other/2018/10/31/bcd69dc2-dd12-11e8-85df-7a6b4d25cfbb_story.html

A 20-year-old pro-Trump media personality and disgraced hedge fund prodigy named Jacob Wohl and a Republican lobbyist named Jack Burkman were involved in the plot to smear Robert Mueller with false sexual assault allegations. Wohl allegedly created a fake company called Surefire Intelligence and attempted to pay women to make false allegations against the special counsel. The case has been referred to the FBI for further investigation. (Vox / The Atlantic / GQ)

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/30/18044110/robert-mueller-jacob-wohl-jack-burkman-surefire

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#259569: Oct 31st 2018 at 3:54:04 PM

Hey, Trump, I thought knowing nothing was a virtue among your crowd.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#259570: Oct 31st 2018 at 4:00:19 PM

They have no virtues,only platitudes

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#259571: Oct 31st 2018 at 4:03:45 PM

I'm so glad that term limits are a thing because we can hope for a president that can be taken seriously again in the near-future

Question: I know that if the president and vice president are removed/dead, an acting president is put in place and that there's a special election at December if its not an election year. But I want to know who they can pick as candidates and how the voting process differs from regular elections

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#259572: Oct 31st 2018 at 4:08:22 PM

If I remember correctly, there's an order of succession where if the President and Vice-President are both out, the Speaker of the House is next in line. Not sure about Vice-President in that case, though, or who comes after the Speaker.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#259573: Oct 31st 2018 at 4:12:20 PM

The procedure for the special election would be exactly the same as the procedure for a normal election. I'm sure whichever party the acting president belonged to would nominate them as their candidate, barring serious drama.

They should have sent a poet.
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#259574: Oct 31st 2018 at 4:18:13 PM

Fearmongering much?

Honestly? Considering the sheer quantity of guns, both military and vigilante, amassing themselves at the border to point south under the leadership of violent rhetoric that has already provoked one mass shooting, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to be alarmed for the safety and wellbeing of the people in the caravan.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#259575: Oct 31st 2018 at 4:21:14 PM

[up]Again, most of the soldiers won't be armed. That's not what they're there for.


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