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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#259476: Oct 30th 2018 at 4:27:58 PM

I really hope this one doesn't turn out to be another example of projection.

Oh yeah, that would be a special kind of awful.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
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A procrastination in of itself
#259477: Oct 30th 2018 at 4:33:29 PM

Trump has made sexual comments about teenage girls before and I believe there was some connection with the child sex traffficing rings that have recently been found to have existed in high society within the UK.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#259478: Oct 30th 2018 at 4:41:48 PM

At this point, few things are going to surprise me.

But by every God living, dead and yet to be born, I hope that Alt-Right Pizzeria thing doesn't turn out to be true.

I hold the secrets of the machine.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#259479: Oct 30th 2018 at 4:45:03 PM

So, what's next? Trying to get rid of Obama in the history books by retroactively denying him citizenship?

If Donald Trump guts the 14th Amendment in an attempt to destroy chain migration and birthright citizenship and then tries to apply it retroactively in an attempt to screw Obama, he'll actually screw himself.

After all, Obama's mother comes from several generations of US citizens (Kansas) and he was born in the US (Hawai'i). As a result, Trump would have a hard time applying anything to Obama without screwing over millions of Americans at the same time.

Trump, however, has a much more tenuous and fragile relationship with US citizenship than Obama does.

His grandfather, Fred Senior, was German. He fled Germany to escape the draft and decided to try and get rich from the Klondike Gold Rush. He then returned to Germany and married his neighbour, Elizabeth. They moved to New York (an ethnically German part), but she hated it so they returned home to Germany.

She conceived in Germany, but they had to leave the country when Fred's draft dodging past caught up with him. So they moved back to the US just three months before their eldest child, Fred Junior, was born.

Fred Junior was therefore a birthright citizen.

Meanwhile, Mary MacLeod flees poverty in Scotland to go and live with her sisters who have already moved to the US. She only just scrapes into the legal migration category by a single day (she turned 18 the day before her ship docked at the US). She lived in the US long enough to be allowed to naturalise.

As a result, Mary MacLeod was a naturalised citizen.

Donald Trump is therefore the child of a birthright citizen and a naturalised chain migrated economic migrant.

He should ensure, for his own sake, that he doesn't apply it retroactively.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 30th 2018 at 11:47:17 AM

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#259480: Oct 30th 2018 at 4:47:38 PM

It would be darkly hilarious if he legislated himself out of US citizenship. Would that apply to his children and grandchildren as well?

Do not obey in advance.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#259481: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:07:19 PM

So, on a funny note, anyone hear about the idiots who tried to frame Mueller. Yeah...didn't go so well.

Stock photos of famous people. And himself. And his mother's voice mail. And this. And this. And this.

[lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol]

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#259482: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:12:18 PM

"The law only is as strong as those who enforce it."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#259484: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:20:50 PM

In his efforts to dig up dirt on Mueller, Burkman appears to have enlisted outside help. Jacob Wohl, a right wing Twitter personality and a self-described friend of Burkman, said Burkman had told him he had hired Matthew Cohen, who claims to be a managing partner at the private investigations company Surefire Intelligence, to assist with the investigation. In fact, it appears that Cohen is Wohl.

That's very interesting. Anyone that takes even a cursory glance at Trump's twitter will have seen the name Jacob Wohl responding to every announcement Trump makes with lavish praise.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#259485: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:21:42 PM

Trump wants to end birthright citizenship, apparently. Any proper articles on this?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#259486: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:21:56 PM

IT is genuinely hysterical how bad a job they did with this...like Christoph Waltz's photo for one of their employees?

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Nero Fangirl
#259488: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:26:26 PM

Isn't there an entire constitutional amendment about this?

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#259489: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:27:04 PM

Yes, Trump would need a constitutional amendment to pull this off legally.

Leviticus 19:34
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#259490: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:32:54 PM

[up][up][up]thanks.

[up], [up][up] probably, but lindsey graham has already announced his support and plans to introduce a bill banning birthright citizenship.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#259491: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:35:39 PM

to which I'd say it's not, gonna, happen. Its nigh impossible to get an amendment in the best of times nowadays. A walking controversy like Trump would not have even a snowball's chance in hell.

[up] Graham's efforts are slightly less futile, but not by much. The Midterms are nigh and there is a high chance for the Democrats to nip that bill in the bud as a result.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Oct 30th 2018 at 5:38:16 AM

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#259492: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:48:25 PM

Honestly, Graham's announcing that was incredibly stupid. Even if it did have a snowball's chance in hell of actually getting passed, all it's doing now is riling up the Democratic base even more, especially Latinos, who make up a significant portion of it.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#259493: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:59:09 PM

Also, even Paul Ryan said that while he agrees with Trump's overall BS vis a vis immigration, that eliminating birthright citizenship would require a Constitutional Amendment.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#259494: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:10:25 PM

I don't actually think the notion of putting some narrow limitations on Birthright citizenship is crazy (for example children born to people in the country on tourist visas), but the fact of the matter is that the plane text of the 14th Amendment is very straightforward on the issue.

If you are born on US soil and are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, they are citizens. Period, end of story.

And the only way for someone to not be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is if they have some form of diplomatic immunity, or in an area that is under occupation by an invading army and therefore the US has no practical jurisdiction.note 

This means that even the narrowest of limitations to birthright citzenship requires a Constitutional Amendment. Doing it by legislation is unconstitutional, doing it by executive order is unconstitutionally insane.

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#259495: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:13:05 PM

Did you really have to put that fearmongering shit at the end of the paragraph, Blue Ninja 0? The world is not the US, there are history books outside of it.
Of course the world isn't the US. Do you think that, say, Chinese world history books written 50 years from now are going to lament how Trump destroyed democracy? I don't. The only way Trump et al will be repudiated is if enough of the American public fight back against him and drive the Nazis out of DC.
The people who worry me far more are the 40% of the population who approve of Donald Trump, they are not a small minority and thus represent a far more serious problem.
Agreed. I wonder if the US will ever have the same kind of self-reflection moment that Germany had.
Lindsey Graham said he will introduce legislation to support Trump's plan to limit birthright citizenship.
Of course he did. Fucking worthless piece of shit.
Voting machines in five Texas counties have been changing ballots. The state blamed voters for the error, saying they were using the selection wheel before the screen finished rendering.
I wonder how much below his polling average Beto will do in those counties? Anyone care to hazard a guess?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#259496: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:39:33 PM

To be fair, countries putting some kind of restriction on citizenship (like you have to have the blood of a native son or daughter or something similar) isn't that odd.

In Trump's case though - even a fool can guess which kind of immigrant he had in mind while making that statement.

[up] You think it's going to be rigged towards Cruz?

Edited by TechPriest90 on Oct 30th 2018 at 9:40:04 AM

I hold the secrets of the machine.
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#259497: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:47:54 PM

Cruz comes first alphabetically.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#259498: Oct 30th 2018 at 8:15:51 PM

Again, I need to take a moment to comment on how cartoonishly evil the Right Wing are. With the whole bullshit about attempting to frame Mueller for rape.

There's really no end to this. It's like Lex Luthor remaining rich and a Presidential candidate no matter how many times he tries to kill Superman.

It's also weirdly banal. They can't think of anything other than what they are accused of.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 30th 2018 at 8:16:14 AM

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wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#259499: Oct 30th 2018 at 8:21:22 PM

>Trump would have a hard time applying anything to Obama without screwing over millions of Americans at the same time.

1. I don't think he'd have a problem with that, but
2. It would absolutely be enforced selectively.
3. She explained it better than me:

And to be VERY CLEAR, I'm not saying they will go up the chain of your ancestors looking for someone whose citizenship they can prove is invalid under the "clarified" rule.

I'm saying they will say one of your ancestors was "illegal" and then you have to prove otherwise.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017

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