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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
So, in a horrible new low point even for the abysmal low standards I have for Mike Pence, he had a FAKE RABBI give a prayer for Pittsburgh.
AFTER praying for republican candidates first,
that is.
That’s a deliberate and vicious message, and I am the most ashamed I’ve ever been to be from Pence’s home state.
Edited by wisewillow on Oct 29th 2018 at 11:53:14 AM
A rabbi of a messianic synagogue isn't quite a "fake rabbi". Like, they didn't dress up some rando as a jew, this is someone who's built an identity around being a jew that believes in Jesus
Still super-tacky and obviously a way to show sympathy to the jews without actually showing sympathy to jews, though
It’s not just “all religions matter.”
A Jew who believes in Jesus is not a thing.
If a Catholic Church was the site of a vicious attack, you can be damn sure they’d find a catholic priest to do the prayer. This was a vicious, anti-Semitic message. Dead Jews don’t matter, here’s a Christian “rabbi” instead. Thus saith Mike Pence, the worst man produced by Indiana.
Edited by wisewillow on Oct 29th 2018 at 11:57:29 AM
It got lost in a mix of page-bottom and the latest discussion, but the latest WTF Just Happened Today
feed is a couple pages back. Rather than massive post again, I'll just provide the link: https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2018/10/29/day-648/
There's also summary of the Mueller probe's progress over the past week: https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/what-we-learned/2018/10/week-of-oct-21-27/
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the fact that Jews don't believe in Jesus and the New Testament literally one of the single biggest differences between it and Christianity?
Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 29th 2018 at 10:00:00 AM
Kellyanne Conway was definitely doing "All Religions Matter", though, going on about "Anti-Religiosity" on Fox News.
Oh God! Natural light!The thing with ending slavery is that if they'd really tried like you ask, we'd have had two countries from the outset, divided by the Mason-Dixon line. Because the Southern planters, who held the existing power in the South, would not have let abolition be imposed without a fight. And while the US could force Rhode Island to join eventually, a war between North and South in 1787 would have been completely unacceptable to the Founders, particularly a war over the rights of black people.
You can't just snap your fingers and decree something like this. You have to break the power of the opposition first.
Yes, they do exist.
Both racially and religiously.
However, that doesn't reduce any of the level of insult and vileness of Pence who continues to display some of the worst of my faith's habits all at once.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
No, Messianic Judaism is not a form of Judaism. Most of the world's established Jewish institutions do not recognize it as Judaism. They recognize it as Christianity.
The State of Israel for one doesn't allow Messianic Judaism followers to claim the right to live in Israel under the Law of Return.
Edited by M84 on Oct 30th 2018 at 1:43:27 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedYeah, it is not a sect of Judaism, full stop. That man was not a Jew. This is why it is important to differentiate between Hebrew and Jewish. That man was Hebrew, as it is his race. He was not Jewish, it is not his religion.
Also, slavery has been a thing ever since agriculture first started thousands of years ago. It is one of the Human race's oldest traditions, one does not simply end slavery on a whim. It's still around today, in many forms. It's awful and evil, sure, but ending the institution of slavery was, at the time, considered unthinkable. It was only relatively recently that the idea of a world without slavery became widely accepted.
The mindset was not "slavery is bad and it should end" it was, at best "slavery is bad, but it's not like you can do anything about it".
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 29th 2018 at 11:17:18 AM
It was definitely completely inappropriate, and horribly tone deaf to say the least.
Because I'm a nerd who saw a chance to bore you all with something I actually did learn in my Religion class, I do want to point out that the cultural and religious blending and assimilation is actually more common than you'd think. Eastern Religions in particular are known for their happily borrowing concepts and deities from each other, and a lot of modern customs and traditions in major world religions today, are products of Religious Synchronism and converts bringing their old traditions with them.
Edited by megaeliz on Oct 29th 2018 at 2:26:11 PM
Messianic Judaism is way more than just "blending". It's trying to claim it's Judaism while maintaining a core tenet of Christianity that is incompatible with Judaism — that Jesus was the Messiah. There's a reason Jewish organizations aren't exactly eager to accept them.
It's pretty much cultural appropriation when you think about it.
Edited by M84 on Oct 30th 2018 at 2:27:22 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
I really don’t know enough about that particular group to make a judgement, but couldn’t you make the arguement that in a situation like that, it might actually be a new religion in itself.
Like my gut tells me that these are just loony fanatics like Pence and the rest of them, but just food for thought.
Edited by megaeliz on Oct 29th 2018 at 2:37:34 PM
It seems straightforward to me. To my understanding, one of the biggest differences between Judaism and Christianity is that Jews don't regard Jesus as the Messiah. Christians await the second coming of Christ while Jews don't think we've even had a first coming.
From context, as I've never heard of them before today, a "Messianic Jew" sounds like a Jew that acknowledges the Messiah. In other words, a Jew that acknowledges something that Jews, by definition, do not acknowledge.
Is that the basic idea?
Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 29th 2018 at 12:38:07 PM
We're moving into theology that causes flame wars, but generally speaking no human can be divine in Judaism.
It popped up in the 60's and 70's. It may have been just another heresy back in the first century but now, not really.
Edited by TerminusEst on Oct 29th 2018 at 11:41:34 AM
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleIt is, and you may have heard of it. It's this hot new religion that goes by the more well-known name of Christianity.
Jesus was Jewish, Judaism was around long before he was and, according to Judaism, he was just another Jewish dude. Not any kind of demi-god.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 29th 2018 at 11:42:57 AM

Fun fact: One of the biggest proponents of giving non-property owners the vote among the Founding Fathers? Thomas Jefferson.
"Wait," I hear you say, "notable slave rapist Thomas Jefferson was a proponent of giving commoners who didn't own land the vote? Didn't you say that that would've made it easier to abolish slavery?"
Yeah, he didn't support it out of altruism though. See... Unlike in the Northern colonies, where the parcels of land were relatively small and there were many small land owners, all the land in the Southern colonies was in the hands of a few large land owners (Jefferson himself owned fully 20% of the land in Virginia).
If voting rights were tied to land ownership, then not only would Virginian and other Southern electors get massively outnumbered once proportional enumeration of electors was decided, but the people in his own State would resent the fuck out of him for owning all that land they were working and getting taxed over as tenants without getting the votes that Northern small landowners were getting for working the same size plot of land (except also owning it rather than leasing it).
Extending the definition of the kind of properties that bestowed voting rights to include slaves and other chattel was actually the compromise that Jefferson and his opponents reached to get him to accept property-based voting rights restrictions.
Angry gets shit done.