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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#259101: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:06:38 PM

[up] Republicans won’t be happy until every American is walking around with weapons leveled in condition zero at everyone they see.

They should have sent a poet.
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#259102: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:06:39 PM

"Our thoughts and prayers to the victims of the 47th shooting this year. What a February we're having. If only they'd purchased a SMITH & WESSON HANDCANNON SUPREME! That's right, folks, the Smith & Wesson Handcannon Supreme is just the thing you need to defend yourself from terrorists or whoever. For just $99.99 plus tax, the Handcannon Supreme can be in your hands!

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#259103: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:08:19 PM

Mr. Presidential Candidate, why do so many bad guys HAVE Handcannon Supremes, anyway?

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#259104: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:08:50 PM

[up][up][up]Don't be silly. Black's and all them Illegals won't get them of course.

Edited by 3of4 on Oct 27th 2018 at 9:09:17 PM

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#259105: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:10:13 PM

The other thing the Right has seized upon to promote after this attack seems to be the death penalty. Which I'm pretty sure just happened because Trump mentioned it out of the blue.

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#259106: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:11:12 PM

And notice- the white male Kroger shooter who killed two black elders, the white-adjacent male who mailed bombs to a dozen Democrats and critics of the President, and the white male synagogue shooter who murdered 8 people, and wounded 3 cops, all got taken alive (as they should have been).

Meanwhile, unarmed black kids are dead because the cops were “scared.”

Gun rights come with a massive, whites-only asterisk.

[up] Studies show the death penalty is useless as a deterrent, plus it’s disproportionately imposed on black and brown men. Hmm, wonder why the president likes it. Wonder if it’s related to how he said the Charlottesville Nazis were fine people but he also said the Central Park 5, even after they were proven innocent, deserved to be executed.

Edited by wisewillow on Oct 27th 2018 at 3:13:17 PM

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#259107: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:12:20 PM

[up][up]Who wants to bet that this is an attempt to sneak a "Final Solution" under the public's noses?

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Oct 27th 2018 at 12:12:40 PM

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#259108: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:14:01 PM

[up]...Seriously over the line.

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#259109: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:15:01 PM

  • Step 1: Death penalty for severe offenders.
  • Step 2: Label border crossing a severe offense.

Yeah. I can see Trump doing that. He has spent two years tarring them with the "rapists and murderers" brush, after all.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 27th 2018 at 1:16:13 PM

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#259110: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:19:07 PM

[up][up][up] Not exactly. That’s going a bit far. But there is a strong use of criminalization against black and brown people, along with white dissenters.

So, here’s the thing. Society doesn’t generally like crime/criminals. So, how do you crush the people you hate because of their race, religion, sexuality, or opposition to your regime?

You criminalize them. You enforce minor laws against them, while ignoring those laws for the favored groups (i.e. black kids in poor neighborhoods getting locked up for small amounts of marijuana, while rich white kids smoke all the weed they want and are rarely prosecuted).

You make new laws that will tighten the rope around the oppressed groups- make it illegal for them to use the right bathroom, make it a felony to not have up to date paperwork, make their protests illegal because they’re “disruptive.”

Sound familiar?

[up] Essentially, yes.

Edited by wisewillow on Oct 27th 2018 at 3:20:07 PM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#259111: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:22:18 PM

...are we seriously insinuating that the US government is planning a genocide?

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#259112: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:24:30 PM

I’d label it brutal suppression of dissent, but if you look at the camps already set up for the immigrants, Trump’s intention to hold children longer, his deliberate attempts to create panic about migrant “caravans” coming to invade...

This is going in a very scary direction.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#259113: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:28:32 PM

Again, are you seriously suggesting actual genocide might be imminent?

Things can be bad without being genocide bad. That doesn’t mean we should fight them any less.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#259114: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:29:34 PM

Holding children's families hostage as political capital is a crime against humanity and falls under the definition of genocide.

I don't think Trump wants to wipe out any ethnic groups but he wants to remove them from America as much as possible.

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#259115: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:32:13 PM

[up][up]I don’t know. I hope not. But my legal conference yesterday had a long session on lawyers in 1930s Germany, and there’s a lot of frightening similarities to what’s currently happening with Trump, Fox News, and the alt-right and their propaganda and policy proposals regarding immigrants and anti-Semitism.

[up] A year or two ago, I would have agreed. Now? I think he’s perfectly okay with killing “the bad ones” and with having a very broad definition of who counts as bad.

Edited by wisewillow on Oct 27th 2018 at 3:36:34 PM

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#259116: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:34:38 PM

The Government as a whole body? Probably not. Members of it with power fantasies about killing off all the 'undesirables'. I'd not count it out.

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#259117: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:36:58 PM

Speaking to your point, here’s a twitter thread from Bree Newsome, the activist who climbed a flag pole to take down South Carolina’s confederate flag a few years back, discussing America’s history of splitting into three broad groups when dealing with white supremacy.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#259118: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:42:14 PM

...are we seriously insinuating that the US government is planning a genocide?

It's not like they didn't attempt before.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#259119: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:42:49 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] No, it doesn’t. Genocide is a specific term meaning targeted mass killing with the goal of destroying an ethnic group by a governing body. What’s happening now, as horrific as it is, is not genocide.

Frankly, all this talk of genocide and martial law is simply obfuscating the actual issues, not to mention being somewhat dismissive of the actual victims of those things. If you honestly think a genocide is about to occur in the US I suggest you reevaluate your opinions on current events.

Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 27th 2018 at 12:47:02 PM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#259120: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:46:53 PM

Synagogue shooting is up to ten dead now.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#259121: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:55:19 PM

[up][up]Actually, Charles has a point. According to the United Nations:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

a. Killing members of the group;

b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Parts b and e would apply to the detention and incarceration of predominantly-Latino and brown immigrants and the incarceration and eventual permanent forcible adoption of their children to majority-white American citizen parents.

I’ll also note that the genocide of the Native Americans was a long slow process over decades; more were killed by deliberately spread disease and by the murder of the Buffalo than were killed in open battle by settlers and American soldiers.

Edited by wisewillow on Oct 27th 2018 at 3:57:22 PM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#259122: Oct 27th 2018 at 12:58:29 PM

[up] Also not really. If we were sterilizing them, or had a specific policy of giving all of the children being held to all-white families, then it might meet the description. Even then, we would have to be doing it to all the Latinos in the country, which we are not.

Seriously. This can be an awful situation that we fight against as much as we can without being genocide. Calling it that is disrespectful to the actual victims of genocide.

Every bad thing isn’t genocide or a crime against humanity, those are terms with meaning.

Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 27th 2018 at 1:03:25 AM

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#259123: Oct 27th 2018 at 1:03:23 PM

Studies show the death penalty is useless as a deterrent, plus it’s disproportionately imposed on black and brown men. Hmm, wonder why the president likes it. Wonder if it’s related to how he said the Charlottesville Nazis were fine people but he also said the Central Park 5, even after they were proven innocent, deserved to be executed.

Speaking from my personal experience, it's part of a larger problem where many people unfortunately don't care about what will actually help prevent or decrease crime. What they do care about is living out their vindictive urges and getting an illusion of justice and safety that makes them feel better, even if it doesn't actually help anything.

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#259124: Oct 27th 2018 at 1:06:55 PM

And filling their private prisons, because $$$.

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#259125: Oct 27th 2018 at 1:08:48 PM

Studies show the death penalty is useless as a deterrent
Have those studies looked into how much of this apparent uselessness is due to misapplication and/or selectiveness in its application (if more first-degree murderers get away with their crimes than those who do get executed, then obviously the punishment comes across as toothless), how much is because the root problems that drive people to commit crimes worthy of the death penalty haven't even been remotely addressed, and how much is because the forces and individuals behind the exploitation of the prison system prefer to have convicts imprisoned rather than executed to perform forced labor for the prison runners' and sponsors' own benefit?

Edited by MarqFJA on Oct 27th 2018 at 11:10:19 AM

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