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PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
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#258926: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:28:10 AM

Isn't it possible to just leave it blank?

Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Oct 26th 2018 at 7:28:20 PM

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#258927: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:30:14 AM

I think they don't allow it to be left blank in case someone gets hold of the ballet and alters it

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#258928: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:40:16 AM

Noticed the "Native Americans for Trump" sticker. So is this guy actually at least partly Native American?

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#258929: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:42:50 AM

He claims to be. Whether that's true is anyone's guess.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#258930: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:57:41 AM

Apparently he claims that his Italian heritage is somehow native american.

Who cares.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#258931: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:58:55 AM

That feels so ironic in light of the whole thing with the congresswoman whose name eludes me and her recent DNA test.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 26th 2018 at 1:26:48 PM

Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#258932: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:59:49 AM

Wait, what?

I thought it might be some sickening play in the vein of 'only real Americans are Native Americans' but that makes even less sense

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#258933: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:03:11 PM

[up] Do you expect someone who believe in the q conspiracy (or however it is called), plasters stickers all over his van and send bombs to a bunch of people to make sense?

Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#258934: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:06:00 PM

Good point.

[up][up][up] Warren?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#258935: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:27:27 PM

I think so. I kept coming up with Kamala Harris but I knew that wasn't right.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#258936: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:32:22 PM

Sent my mail-in ballot. You know that there was a proposition that would make it illegal to make any more taxes on any services in the future?

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#258937: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:32:35 PM

I'm a little curious as to if the MAGA Bomber took part in any proto-alt-right/pre-Trump-right-wing events?

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Oct 26th 2018 at 12:35:33 PM

Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#258938: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:34:28 PM

[up][up] Washington state? I think there was something along those lines on my ballot.

Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#258939: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:35:35 PM

I have heard that Native Americans are, generally speaking, conservative or at least libertarian. So a Natives For Trump sticker isn't really anything out of the ordinary.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#258940: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:37:16 PM

[up][up][up][up] well that dosne't look like an attempt to evade emerging taxes, no siree bob

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Oct 26th 2018 at 12:37:26 PM

Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#258941: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:38:59 PM

[up][up]Huh, little surprised at that. Though I admit I hadn't given it a lot of thought.

I'm a little curious as to if the MAGA Bomber took part in any proto-alt-right/pre-Trump-right-wing events?

There's video of him at a Trump rally:

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1055863694306017281?s=21

Edited by Cris_Meyers on Oct 26th 2018 at 2:39:26 PM

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#258942: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:39:37 PM

Arizona, Maricopa. It was called something like the "American Taxpayer Protection Act" and it would straight-up make it illegal to create any new taxes in the future for any services.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 26th 2018 at 12:39:55 PM

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#258943: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:40:50 PM

According to the BBC, the MAGA bomber made a bomb threat in 2002, but unfortunately it doesn't say who or what it was aimed at.

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Oh, bother.
#258944: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:47:05 PM

[up][up][up]It's been pointed out before that many minority cultures in the USA do in fact lean conservative in many respects. And that more of them probably would side with the GOP if it weren't for the blindingly obvious racism.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#258945: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:48:46 PM

[up][up]It seems to have been directed at the (sort of) state power utility in reference to turning off his power. He also threatened one of the workers.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/oct/26/pipe-bombs-latest-live-news-updates-arrest-florida

Sayoc was arrested in 2002 for threatening to bomb a Florida utility company, CNN reports.

He said it would be “worse than Sept. 11,” according to Miami police reports seen by the network.

He allegedly called Florida Power and Light and threatened to blow up the building if his lights were shut off, in addition to threatening an employee with bodily harm.

Sayoc had been arrested a total of eight times, according to CNN. One arrest was for possession of a stolen vehicle in North Carolina in 1999, a spokeswoman for the Mecklenburg County Sheriff’s Office told the network.

Another arrest was for trying to walk out of a Walmart with a shopping cart filled with $239 worth of merchandise, according to NBC News.

He also apparently claimed some affiliation to the Florida Seminole Tribe, but they have denied that he has any association them.

Cesar Sayoc made posts on social media suggesting an affiliation with Florida’s Seminole tribe, but the tribe has disavowed him. They said in a statement:

“We can find no evidence that Cesar Altieri, Caesar Altieri, Caesar Altieri Sayoc, Ceasar Altieri Randazzo (Facebook) or Julus Cesar Milan (Twitter) is or was a member or employee of the Seminole Tribe of Florida, or is or was an employee of Seminole Gaming or Hard Rock International. At this time, we cannot verify if he is or was an employee of a vendor company.”

Edited by Mio on Oct 26th 2018 at 3:53:36 PM

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#258946: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:59:16 PM

Y'all do realize it's possible for a person to have both Native American and Italian ancestors, right?

I'm not saying he does. Just that this whole "HOW CAN HE BE NATIVE AMERICAN?" thing is alarmingly reminiscent of the Right's "LOL POCAHONTAS" rhetoric. Dude being an asshole is not, in and of itself, reason to denounce his claimed ethnicity out-of-hand.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#258947: Oct 26th 2018 at 1:04:55 PM

Here's a very good thread about the role of conspiracy in Far Right Organizing. Some of the stuff about Capitalism is slightly fringy, but the general premise is still seems sound.

Hey, so, it's fun to deride conspiracy theories as "boomers competing to design a new Pink Floyd album cover," but let's talk about the role of conspiracy theory in 21st century far-right organizing.

Because it's big.

Conspiracy theories are meant to do two things:

  1. Create a narrative that lends meaning to otherwise unconnected events.
  2. Isolate those who believe from those who don't.

And capitalism supports this every step of the way. Capitalism reduces us all to cogs in a profit-producing machine. It works to convince us that we're only as valuable as the profit we can produce for some boss.

This is a horrible way, solitary to go through life.

We need meaning. We need connection.

Concurrently, whiteness isolates us further. It convinces white people that they are wholly different from people of color. Capitalism isolates them from other white people. Toxic masculinity isolates men from women. Add in homophobia, transphobia, ableism, etc. and you end up with a pretty tiny, dangerous bubble for cis white straight abled men.

So how does the far right exploit this?

It isolates those dudes more.

It convinces them that the very things that are oppressing them are the things that can save them.

Men who can't get a date because they're so steeped in toxic masculinity?

Instead of offering them feminism, so that women might actually feel safe around them and *want* to talk to them, groups like the Proud Boys tell them that it's women's fault for not being submissive.

Men who can't support themselves because capitalism has destroyed unions and ground the concept of a living wage into dust?

The Proud Boys tell them that they need to "glorify the entrepreneur." In other words, be the guy who grinds the little guy down.

Let's go a little further right.

Instead of abandoning whiteness and embracing interracial solidarity among workers, leading to strong unions and high wages, the alt-right tells white workers that their hard times are because of POC workers taking their jobs.

In other words, the far-right tells them to embrace that whiteness, that toxic masculinity, that bootlicking capitalist ethic, even as those things harm them.

And it uses conspiracy theory to do this.

The result is that you get cis straight white dudes who are *pretty* desperate for a connection, for some kind of meaning.

So when Richard Spencer tells them to "Become who you are" or when Trump says "I'm a nationalist," they eat it up like they're starving.

And as we've seen, they're willing to do some pretty weird things to bring that about. This week's mail bombs are the result of far-right ideologies being allowed to fester.

This is exactly why we no-platform fascists.

Because this is what happens when we don't.

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 26th 2018 at 4:06:01 AM

Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#258948: Oct 26th 2018 at 1:05:33 PM

I'm not saying he does. Just that this whole "HOW CAN HE BE NATIVE AMERICAN?" thing is alarmingly reminiscent of the Right's "LOL POCAHONTAS" rhetoric. Dude being an asshole is not, in and of itself, reason to denounce his claimed ethnicity out-of-hand.

In a vacuum, sure. But there's more than enough reason to doubt just about anything this guy says. He's not just an asshole: he's an ideologically-driven domestic terrorist. I'm not going to take the claims of a literal terrorist bomber at face value.

Edited by Cris_Meyers on Oct 26th 2018 at 3:06:48 AM

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#258949: Oct 26th 2018 at 1:07:24 PM

Washington state? I think there was something along those lines on my ballot.

The was a prohibition on creating new taxes on soft drinks being astroturfed by big soda companies. I voted against it.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#258950: Oct 26th 2018 at 1:10:02 PM

Hey, Ludlow, got any statistics or evidence on Native Americans being more conservative?


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