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#258651: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:32:52 PM

I'm now getting reports that Andrew Cuomo has also been sent a bomb. So far, that's about 7-8 Democratic Politicians/Trump hate Targets that have been sent a bomb.

And considering that Soros was sent a bomb yesterday, and we've now gotten a large bulk of bombs today, I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow Pelosi, Schumer, (Bernie) Sanders and others are going to get bombs too.

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#258652: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:33:00 PM

I figure that DWS is most likely the return address because she is someone who would plausibly have sent everyone on the target list a package, that is it- If you send a politician a package without a return address, it gets circular filed instantly. Putting down DWS as the sender was not an attempt at getting at her, it was an attempt at getting through screening.

Trying to read more into than that is silly. Though it might be a good place to start the hunt. The bomber might have picked her because he lived near her office so the routing would match, for example.

Ooo, that's a good point. A package from DWS has a better chance of making it through security than one from, say, Joe Bob Fakename. At the same time, DWS isn't a huge public figure, so it's still coming from someone who's low enough profile to slip past the "Why would Barack Obama send me a package and not have told me about it ahead of time?" test.

That's a pretty solid explanation. Alright, I'm no longer eyeballing the Bernie Bros for this.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 24th 2018 at 1:33:29 PM

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TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#258653: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:33:51 PM

[up] x8 Maybe you shouldn't. The GOP is just as human as you are. Dislike their policies, sure, but hatred is a strong word.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Oct 24th 2018 at 3:34:22 PM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#258654: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:35:03 PM

[up]x3. The Cuomo one was confirmed to be a false alarm.

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 24th 2018 at 3:37:13 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#258655: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:35:15 PM

[up][up]I mean, hating other humans can be entirely rational. I think Tactical Fox gets a bit.... overexcited sometimes, but the point still stands.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 24th 2018 at 2:35:33 PM

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#258656: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:35:15 PM

[up][up][up][up]...I'm going to be very embarrassed if you were right all along.

[up][up][up]Considering they actually want to take away my Civil Rights, I'll hate them if I please. Their 'policies' can actually have a direct impact on my life.

[down]There's a saying for this. 'Cool motive, still murder.'

Edited by AzurePaladin on Oct 24th 2018 at 3:38:46 PM

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#258657: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:36:16 PM

Maybe you shouldn't. The GOP is just as human as you are. Dislike their policies, sure, but hatred is a strong word.

Don't you think you're kind of just repeating a platitude here? You're talking about a white supremacist party whose policies disenfranchise millions of people and which is dooming the world via its climate change denial. This isn't an "agree to disagree" situation, there's nothing about the GOP's ideology or practices that's worth respecting. Nobody contests that the GOP are people with their own stories, it's just that it doesn't make them any more sympathetic or people who can be compromised with. They deserve to be hated.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Oct 24th 2018 at 3:37:59 PM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#258658: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:39:45 PM

People on Social media have already nicknamed this “The MAGA Bomber”

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#258659: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:40:06 PM

"The GOP is just as human as you are"? Well, they sure don't act like it. They act like they think they're superior to a lot of us.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#258660: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:40:57 PM

[up]

There's also this possibility - that the bomber lives in DWS' district in Florida, and used her office as a handy means to avoid suspicion when dropping them off.

That said, the bombs literally could not have been over 13 ounces, as the USPS has strict guidelines on it requiring a metered strip on them after that point. Either that, or a few postal employees are going to get some serious reprimands, if not firings, because of this. Oddly enough, though, when I shipped out a package as a large envelope for a customer sending a care package to his daughters at summer camp, that wound up getting returned because of the rolls of Smarties candies inside getting kicked out by the machinery - so how the hell could a pipe-bomb clear that? Referencing the guide I've got for postal prices, it would have to be a maximum of 8 oz. as a package in order to get through with just $3.50 worth of postage stamps.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#258661: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:41:53 PM

[up][up][up]That could backfire if the bomber turns out to be some sorta fringe Unabomber style nutter, or something else that really can't be linked to Trump.

That said, go nuts. Twitter is already on fire with false flag BS, so as long as people are willing to accept egg on their face if they are wrong later, call this individual(s) what you want.

I'll stick with calling them "Domestic Terrorist".

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Oct 24th 2018 at 4:43:30 PM

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#258662: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:43:00 PM

x8 Maybe you shouldn't. The GOP is just as human as you are. Dislike their policies, sure, but hatred is a strong word.

Nah, hate is the perfect word.

And what does being human have to do with anything? Humans can be monsters. We have the history to prove it.

And here's the difference. I may hate them, but I sure as sin am never going to deny their humanity.

We hate them for their actions. They hate most of us for simply the way we just look.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#258663: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:44:01 PM

There is a saying (well, kind of a saying) in Germany which boils down "I am tolerant towards everything but intolerance". Basically, there is a time at which discussions or "finding a common ground" is over, when you have to stop being "understanding". The time comes, when the point of view of someone else actually gets other people hurt.

The Republicans have crossed this line a long time ago.

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#258664: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:47:58 PM

The thought that keeps scaring me isn’t just the possibility of more bombs (after all the first bomb arrived two days ago) but that whoever did this had more than bombs in mind, the FBI are going to find this person, that’s obvious, so I’m worried that their plan is to do something big before the FBI is able to track them down.

I hope to god that Pelosi has an increased security detail right now.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#258665: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:52:51 PM

[up][up] I believe that would fall under the Paradox of Tolerance as defined by Karl Popper, in 1945:

Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

It’s wordy and uses the word tolerance way to many times, but I think the general idea is reasonably understandable.

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 24th 2018 at 3:59:12 PM

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#258666: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:00:55 PM

[up]

Put in a more laconic fashion - the seeming Logic Bomb of "You're intolerant because you don't tolerate my intolerance!" isn't actually a paradox.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#258667: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:08:07 PM

Well, Europe spend a LOT of time thinking about those issues. And West Germany doubly so.

[up] It isn't, though rightwingers really love to push the idea that it is.

Btw, I bet that Trump will make a big deal over the bomb which never was which was send to him and that Fox news will try to spin this as a general attack on the political system while glossing over the fact that the target all had something very obvious in common.

Edited by Swanpride on Oct 24th 2018 at 1:11:12 AM

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#258668: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:20:02 PM

I fully expect Fox News pundits to feign sympathy or horror at best and claim that the libs are to blame because c i v i l i t y at worst. Basically, the GOP uses Why Did You Make Me Hit You? logic a lot. Their rabid and hysterical defense of Kavanaugh had those undertones as well.

Edited by BearyScary on Oct 24th 2018 at 12:27:51 AM

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#258669: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:22:16 PM

Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

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Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#258670: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:28:25 PM

I think I can say I hate the GOP for fucking people over at literally every possible turn.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#258671: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:28:35 PM

So...how long one of them basically said that they had it coming one way or another? I give them two days to end up with this conclusion.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#258672: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:32:58 PM

GOP

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#258673: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:34:00 PM

Self-thumped.

Edited by CookingCat on Oct 24th 2018 at 1:38:15 AM

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#258674: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:35:10 PM

[up]Let's not have that kind of talk. Not even because of the whole "we should take the moral high road" thing, but because beside a brief moment of catharsis, it would be entirely detrimental without any kind of benefit.


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