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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
> So are Republicans always trying to cut social security and Medicare on "principle" or are there certain lobbies that just really want those gone for some reason?
The insurance lobby is definitely the primary factor,they've always been the huge road block on to universal healhcare,it's all money see from people having to pay for healthcare,they don't want to lose it
It would have been better if they had Universal healthcare before the insurance companies became so big,alas they left it too late and the Insurance companies become the biggest tree in the forest and insured no other plants or trees flowered
Edited by Ultimatum on Oct 20th 2018 at 10:05:52 AM
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI realize I've never actually questioned the reasoning, just taken it as a given.
"Welfare" programs are a violation of Randian economics. Republicans subscribe to an economic philosophy that's basically
- Every man for himself. I'm not here to take care of you.
- The only way to fail is to be weak, lazy, and/or stupid. These people are useless parasites.
- Parasites should be left to die from their own failings, freeing up more resources for the rest of us.
They see any program that consists of providing financial or material aid to the less fortunate as giving handouts to parasites, and they also strongly believe that at least half of the recipients for these programs are just scam artists ripping off the system.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.What you said and they said is the exact same thing, "every man for himself" by default just means that the people who are privileged do well and those who are underprivileged do poorly.
Which obviously is the entire point.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangBlaming the insurance companies is a bit off too because its the government trying to pass the buck on them (just like corporations who produce medical supplies and hospitals) versus simply paying for the government-paid medical care.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.And why does the Government want to do that?
Because the insurance industry and similar interests fund politicians (often Republicans) to fight against government involvement in healthcare.
It's perfectly appropriate to blame the insurance industry for the current state of affairs.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangInsurance companies paying government officials not to try to make them pay for all medical expenses when it's not their job to pay for medical expenses is perfectly reasonable.
I'm entirely comfortable saying the system is to blame, not the people affected by it.
What, exactly, is the insurance company's responsibility here? To pay people who paid for insurance.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Insurance companies profit when you don't need treatment. The government trying to send them back the bills for their services is tied to their habit of making predatory insurance plans and pricing to begin with.
This is why they are so adamant in lobbying for preexisting conditions and try to exclude themselves from as many life saving treatments as possible, if they see that it isn't economically viable to proceed with treatment.
specially when they lobbied for them and the hospitals be allowed to treat the citizens and then send the government the bill, knowing very well they could charge 40 bucks for a box of tissue paper and 200 for a vial of aspirin.
Inter arma enim silent legesI recommend watching Netflix's DIRTY MONEY which shows companies like Valiant charging thousands of dollars for life-necessary medicine in order to bilk insurance companies of every dollar they can. This then gets passed onto other customers and why insurance rates are so high.
We blame the insurance companies but the system is rigged to take money from them as big pockets and divert the customers from thinking the people charging them for medicine and treatment are to blame.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 20th 2018 at 12:33:14 PM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I'm entirely comfortable saying the system is to blame, not the people affected by it.
What, exactly, is the insurance company's responsibility here? To pay people who paid for insurance.
Nothing more, nothing less.
This is only true if you think that companies' only moral obligation is to support their bottom line.
When companies lobby against reform that would benefit the common good in the name of defending their profits... well it might be inevitable but that's just an argument against the profit motive/capitalism, not one that especially puts them in a very good light.
I feel fairly comfortable viewing them as scum if they throw money against single payer (which they do). Sure the system may incentivize such behavior but it's not a coincidence and they're not innocent victims, actors like them made it like that.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 20th 2018 at 3:42:31 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangHealth and healthcare business should be entirely nationalized, as long as there are private for-profit entities involved they will scratch against the regulations and try to loosen them.
If we want to resolve the healthcare situation in a manner that greatly decreases the chances of it degenerating in the future we need to remove the for-profit entities from the equation completely. Thus Medicare-for-all would be the best option to give every American healthcare.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangThat said, if you want to nationalize healthcare in the US, it has to be done gradually. The insurance industry is huge, accounts for a lot of economic output (inefficient as it is) and employs a lot of people. Can't eliminate a sector like that overnight, not without substantial consequences.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Maybe.
We shouldn't do it without any consideration for the consequences but with that said creative destruction is a key component of progress and if doing it too gradually risks Republicans sabotaging the process then that economic cost may be worth it in the long run.
I second this question.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 20th 2018 at 3:52:23 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI'm honestly not sure, I suppose it would involve co-opting and integrating the industry. The ACA was a great step.
That said, you also have to address the fact that the States have too much power in this arena, and some won't play ball. But the requires major political, or even constitutional reform....
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.When companies lobby against reform that would benefit the common good in the name of defending their profits... well it might be inevitable but that's just an argument against the profit motive/capitalism, not one that especially puts them in a very good light.
I feel fairly comfortable viewing them as scum if they throw money against single payer (which they do). Sure the system may incentivize such behavior but it's not a coincidence and they're not innocent victims, actors like them made it like that.
That's the kind of logic which basically amounts to, "I bet those [insert rich minorities] are living off our hard earned white labor! We should seize it all for ourselves." Is there any reason why the insurance companies should pay for health care for the public versus the government?
The government DOES have an obligation to support its citizens. It also can do a better job because if you force the cost on insurance companies, you are just privatizing health care indirectly.
And it will collapse.
Fixing HC in America should be:
- Regulating costs for all treatments, drugs, and equipment
- Subdizing doctors and education costs
- Public facilities
- Government funded treatments
- Making it illegal to overcharge for ambulances and other services
- Making it illegal not to treat conditions
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 20th 2018 at 1:01:30 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
