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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#258126: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:04:49 AM

The idea that Trump was some weak candidate that had nothing going his way is something that really should've been told to the electoral fundamentals and the American electorate because they obviously disagreed.

The assumption that Trump could never win and it's all on her is part of the reason he won, it bred complacency.

My own comparison was a known and experienced powerhouse losing to someone who, by all rights, should have never had a chance.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 19th 2018 at 12:10:23 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#258127: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:04:57 AM

The idea Trump was Glass Joe kind of misses the fact that Trump beat every other challenger his way.

He's sadly a really racist Little Mac.

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#258128: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:09:37 AM

My own comparison was a known and experienced powerhouse losing to someone who, by all rights, should have never had a chance.

The world doesn't care about right or wrong, he did have a chance and thus talking about whether it's rightful or not is just dangerous.

This reasoning is one of the factors that caused him to barely win.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 19th 2018 at 2:10:57 PM

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#258129: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:11:06 AM

A 30% chance according to 538, if I recall correctly. Not insignificant odds.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#258130: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:11:23 AM

I think you're taking my statement more seriously than I myself did.

Either way, it doesn't change my original point that Clinton running again is highly unlikely because such a loss is damning to the career prospects of the losing side.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 19th 2018 at 12:11:43 PM

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#258131: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:12:22 AM

I doubt Clinton will run again. She's more or less said she won't. And I doubt there's anything short of the entire Democratic base begging her to run that would make her change her mind.

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#258132: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:12:44 AM

NVM, redundant

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 19th 2018 at 2:13:11 PM

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#258133: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:14:13 AM

The only way I could see Clinton running is if there was absolutely no one else the Democrats could put up.

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#258134: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:18:06 AM

And considering that there are no less than three dozen at least semi-serious contenders....

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#258135: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:33:33 AM

It'd be unprecedented if she ran again[

William Jennings Bryan, who ran 3 times for President and lost all 3, says the precedent has already been shattered.

But unless Hillary Clinton gets a massive boost in popularity in the next 2 years, it'd be really stupid for her to run again, and it'd be even worse for the Democrats to support her again.

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#258136: Oct 19th 2018 at 11:46:34 AM

There is no greater demonstration of how thoroughly people overestimated the progression of civil rights than that anyone ever seriously thought that a wealthy heterosexual Christian white man didn't have a shot at winning the Presidency. Regardless of who he is.

2016 was a wake-up call to millions of Americans that the warnings those of us dubbed "Social Justice Warriors" had been trying to blare were true: prejudice truly is alive and well in America, and not just some historical footnote from a less civilized time. It was a slap in the face to whites who thought minorities were considered equals, to men who thought feminists were just crazy women telling lies about men, to straights who thought the gay marriage ruling forever ended any question about LGBT inclusion, etc.

Of course Trump had a chance. The rich Christian straight white man will always have a chance. Obama's Presidency didn't end privilege, and I think people sorely underestimated the sheer number of Majority Demographic individuals who would be receptive to the message, "Those other people are trying to take what's rightfully yours, but I'll put you back on top again!"

For too long, Americans allowed themselves to believe that equal rights had been forever achieved and hate no longer dwelt in the heart of any American. That prejudice consisted entirely of some dude in Louisiana who's just mad that he couldn't marry his cousin. That racism is dead. Sexism is dead. Humanity has accepted good in its heart and there are no battles left to ever fight again.

And then Trump happened, and now I think people are finally waking up to the reality that history is still happening around us as we speak. The battles are still happening. Prejudice is alive and well in the heart of America and you, yes YOU, not your ancestors or some cool names from a history book, have to step up and do something about it. The movement for social rights is more than escapist fiction.

The rich white man who talks openly about sexual assault gets to be President. The rapist gets put on the Supreme Court. The racist white cop who shoots a black teenager seventeen times won't even be fired, but the Hispanic kid who had a quarter-ounce of weed in his pocket goes to prison for forty years.

It's not an isolated incident. It's not a lone wolf. It's not some liar blowing their story out of proportion to get attention. It's America. It's who we are as a nation, and many voters are finally realizing that.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 19th 2018 at 12:49:23 PM

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#258137: Oct 19th 2018 at 12:17:14 PM

I don't want Hillary to run a third time. Get someone new and fresh in there who isn't saddled with decades of smear campaigns and who drove people to vote for Trump because they hated Hillary a wee bit more.

And I say this as someone who voted for her in 2016.

Edited by speedyboris on Oct 19th 2018 at 2:18:41 PM

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#258138: Oct 19th 2018 at 12:18:09 PM

I want Hillary to run again if she's the best candidate we have. I don't want her to run again if we have a better candidate.

That's why we have primaries.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#258139: Oct 19th 2018 at 12:23:58 PM

I think that the Democrats need a fresh face. Neither Hillary nor Bernie Sanders should run, they need a Democrat somewhere between those two, a little bit younger but with the necessary experience.

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#258140: Oct 19th 2018 at 12:25:34 PM

Just as long as there's little to no strife between the candidates this time around, we can pull it off.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#258141: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:24:05 PM

There is no greater demonstration of how thoroughly people overestimated the progression of civil rights than that anyone ever seriously thought that a wealthy heterosexual Christian white man didn't have a shot at winning the Presidency. Regardless of who he is.

Those weren't the qualities that Trump brought to the table, though that certainly was there. Trump utterly CREAMED all of the other candidates from the Republican Party which were present on that. The GOP is also always struggling to get any of Trump's press when they're all ostensibly that too.

Though I'm not sure that it wasn't a message, "I am the richest whitest man of them all."

Pence being the most Christianiest of them all to fill in the hole.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 1:24:25 AM

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#258142: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:32:04 PM

Trump is absolutely NOT the "whitest".

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#258143: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:36:33 PM

He's more orange than a carton of Tropicana in your grocery store.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#258144: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:36:46 PM

He's an embodiment of white privilege to the point they could make a Bioshock game about him.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#258146: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:40:31 PM

I think Andrew Ryan is the same kind of white privilege as Comstock, just less overt.

Objectivism is the other side of Trumpism aside from white Christianity.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 1:40:51 AM

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#258147: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:41:43 PM

I mean, if that was meant to be a comment on his Orange-ness, it's either a joke that too cryptic too be funny, or an indication that you don't understand exactly what White means in this context. Like, ethnically speaking, he's as white as anybody- his family came from Europe ~100 years ago, and it's a rare person who gives a shit about anything beyond that. The fact that his skin-tone is somewhat unusual is, strangely enough, basically irrelevant to his white-ness.

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#258148: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:47:58 PM

@Charles Phipps: Comparing Trump to Comstock or Ryan isn't fair. He's more like Frank Fontaine.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#258149: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:49:21 PM

Fontaine was actually a decent businessman.

:)

Part of what I loved about Andrew Ryan is that he assumed he'd be God in his little kingdom but was irritated that in an actual competitive environment that he was soon running out of money. So, he did what he always accused the polluters in America of doing by using the government to prop himself up.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 1:50:19 AM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#258150: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:51:17 PM

And just as usual, comparing Trump to anyone ends up being an Insult to Rocks. [lol]

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