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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The Tea Party always hated the Republicans so this is no surprise.
They always felt they weren't extreme enough.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Nuance is lost on a lot of people. If a hypothetical city is, say, 80% Democrat and 20% Republican, the Democrats will most likely control politics, but your actual chances of meeting a Republican aren't exactly small.
Not to mention that people often vote differently depending on whether it's a local, state, or national election.
That's the point I was trying to make, and why I said Imca's personal anecdotes don't actually prove anything. Or at least, they don't prove anything I think anyone in this thread wouldn't already be aware of.
Edited by LSBK on Oct 18th 2018 at 10:24:16 AM
As someone who lived in the Empire state for a time, I can assure you I am aware of the Red streak large parts of the state hold. Hell, I lived in one such area. I still maintain my position.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Oct 18th 2018 at 11:23:15 AM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerRemind me, was Prop 9 the one to split the state in 3? Because that was the most blatantly cynical power grab I've seen like that in...well, not that long actually.
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerWell, glad that was off the ballot then. This is, what, take two of the whole "lets split California! Totally not an excuse to break Democratic power" thing? What's the bet that he tries a third time?
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerTrump was more involved in stopping a long-term plan to move the FBI to the D.C. than previously known. Prior to the election, Trump wanted to move the FBI headquarters moving out of Washington, D.C. so he could acquire the land and redevelop the property. After being sworn in, he became ineligible to obtain the property and moved to block competitors from acquiring the land. The Trump International Hotel is located a block away from the current FBI headquarters.
And claimed that areas where Democrats get roughly 3-4 times as many votes as Republicans are 50/50 red blue.
- 2016 elections:
Brooklyn: 79.7% Clinton, 19.7% Trump. Queens: 75.5% Clinton, 22.1% Trump
- 2012 elections:
Brooklyn: 585,491 votes for Obama, 113,72 Trump. Queens: 461,545 to 108,881
- 2008 elections:
Brooklyn: 79.4% Obama, 20% McCain. Queens: 75.1% Obama, 24.3% McCain
- 2004 elections:
Brooklyn: 72% Kerry, 23% Bush. Queens: 70% Kerry, 26% Bush.
- 2000 elections:
Brooklyn: 76.5% Gore, 14.64% Bush. Queens: 72% Gore, 20.4% Bush.
I mean, there are plenty of red strongholds in New York State. There's a reason why there's an old NYC joke that the further North you go the more likely it is that you'll feel like you wound up in the South, but Brooklyn and Queens aren't it. Nor are they "50/50".
Edited by TheWanderer on Oct 19th 2018 at 8:30:52 AM
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |So 538 just put out an article saying that the recent boost to their Classic model is largely dependant on fundraising, and how this may or may not actually translate to higher turnout. For the record, the Lite model (polls only,) is still at 77%.
So I guess the real question is when it comes to voter turnout, does fundraising really matter in the grand scheme?
Edited by kkhohoho on Oct 19th 2018 at 7:53:45 AM
I will make one correction, the Tea Party was never libertarian. I don't mean this in a "No True Libertarian" sense but rather their only opposition to government power and taxation was that it could theoretically help minorities, which Trump and their support of ultranationalist authoritarianism has made that absolutely clear.
I don't say this to defend libertarians, they're awful but I feel safe assuming that many if not most of them actually care about their awfulness. With the Tea Party, it was just a cover for the virulent White Supremacy.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangThere's a lot of fundamentalists in Trump's group. However, the block of them are less than you might think. It's to say, a group of fundamentalists are fanatically supportive of Trump.
Which if you're skeptical that "not all Fundamentalists" support Trump, I point out at least one segment of Fundamentalists aren't 100% Trump.
[cough] Black Fundamentalists
I say this as a person who isn't at all fond of them and is a recovering one.
There's kind of a Venn Diagram of various groups that are white supremecist that covers various groups but includes a large chunk of Fundamentalists, Atheists, Southerners, Westerners, Upper Class Whites, Lower Class Whites, Middle Class Whites, and more.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 7:12:54 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.The really impactful thing was that post-2010 midterms the state positions were responsible for creating the maps, hence why the Republicans have had such a dominance of the House and State positions.
So it's rather apropos that we're talking about it now in that 2018 state positions are going to be responsible for redistricting again, which makes this midterm hugely important and possibly very impactful for us.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI'm not trying to contradict you, just noting that it's an interesting note how the Fundamentalist Block which has been more or less lock step since the 1970s has been split over all of this.
It's more or less only interesting to those monitoring the situation among Christian organizations like myself.
I expect to see some churches break apart over it.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 19th 2018 at 7:16:38 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.White Evangelicalism is White Supremacy, with some Male Supremacy mixed in.
I'm not really a fan of Christianity but I feel fairly comfortable in saying that White Evangelicals don't have much connection to it.
(I'm not contradicting you per-se, just pointing it out)
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 19th 2018 at 10:17:36 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

New York DOES have a large red base as well, pretending it doesn't is dangerous.
Edit: At least your now anoladging that, but before you weren't, and thats the problem here, people like to pretend red just cant exist in the city, when it quite verifibly does.
Edited by Imca on Oct 18th 2018 at 8:18:11 AM