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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257801: Oct 16th 2018 at 11:44:41 AM

What a weird day this is for Spartan to be the one pessimistically forecasting and me to be the one saying it's cool, everything's fine. But that's what Imma do.

To be fair I did say it probably isn't a pivotal moment, but this is true all the same [lol]

See, I think it's good that Warren did this now, when there's still about a year before anyone starts seriously campaigning for 2020. If there was even the tiniest shred of doubt in her mind about the family story, now's the time to get the blood work done.

If she's planning on a 2020 Presidential run and this question never gets answered, Republicans would drag her through the mud with it. You know they would. "BUT HER EMAILS THO" would become "BUT HER BLOODWORK THO". Whoever compared it to Obama's birth certificate is spot on; "What is she trying to hide?!" would be the big smear question.

Republicans are masters of making huge scandals out of nothing. Literally nothing in the case of "Kenyan Secret Muslim Obama". By getting this blood test done, Warren takes a potentially contentious nothingburger off the table. Republicans will have to look elsewhere for their invented scandal.

And, just in case it turned out she didn't have a drop of Native American blood after all, she did it a year before campaign season starts so that the short public memory span has time to stop caring that it was ever a thing in the first place.

Hmm, ok you've convinced me. My position has changed.

Strategically I think that this was the right move on her part, even if it's harmful in the short term I think you're right that over the long run it's better to detonate this mine now then step on it later.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 16th 2018 at 2:45:34 PM

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#257802: Oct 16th 2018 at 11:46:44 AM

I don't think it's even harmful in the short term. Most non-biased media has been painting it as "technically true" and more focus has been given to "and Trump won't pay up, because of course not." I don't think the middle-of-the-road voters, the ones that actually matter, are offended or anything.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#257803: Oct 16th 2018 at 11:46:48 AM

[up][up][up] Exactly. Trump can still harp on but, well, who cares? Should she have waited until he actually throws a test at her? We all know that he would have done it.

Edited by Swanpride on Oct 16th 2018 at 11:47:20 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#257804: Oct 16th 2018 at 11:52:51 AM

This all sounds like Trump trying to deflect attention from the Saudi Arabia issue.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257805: Oct 16th 2018 at 11:55:52 AM

This all sounds like Trump trying to deflect attention from the Saudi Arabia issue.

What Saudi Arabia issue?

(yes I realize this perfectly demonstrates your point)

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#257806: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:01:08 PM

Trump trying to pretend that Saudi Arabia doesn't have a huge corruption problem after the death of a Saudi journalist who was a big critic of the prince. He cites "rogue actors". You know, like how white mass shooters are always "lone wolf gunmen" and never "domestic terrorists".

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#257807: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:01:44 PM

Khashoggi's assassination in Istanbul, by the hand of the goverment he was criticizing.

[nja]

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Oct 16th 2018 at 12:12:44 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257808: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:03:52 PM

That's it? I'm pretty sure everyone knows that Saudi Arabia is an extremely authoritarian Absolute Monarchy.

Trump isn't willing to give even token criticism because unlike past Presidents he lacks even slight scruples.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 16th 2018 at 3:04:17 PM

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tsstevens Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did from Reading tropes such as Righting Great Wrongs Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did
#257809: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:38:27 PM

Trump probably considers it a good thing that a minority was murdered. If he was the only one obsessed over a Senator's race, forces in "Me Too" jokes while insulting Native Americans, cosying up to dictators, quite frankly trolling on the issue of truth and facts, refuses not to sell weapons to terrorists because he makes too much money, then yes it would be fair to say Trump would be up there cheering the murder of a Turkish journalist.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#257810: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:42:03 PM

Yeah, based on what I'm hearing, I see no reason to be upset with Warren over this.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 16th 2018 at 2:46:52 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257811: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:46:13 PM

TBH, I don't see what the big deal is either. And I'm not a fan of Warren.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#257812: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:48:49 PM

[up][up][up] Technically, Turks are Southern Europeans, so they aren't minorities. Then again, Kazakhs are also technically Eastern Europeans, yet they look similar to East Asians.

Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#257813: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:50:18 PM

One particular complication re: Khashoggi is that Trump pointed out that he wasn't an American citizen, but neglected to mention that he was still an American resident (green card, worked for the Washington Post, et cetera), which makes his claim a not-so-subtle attempt at deflection and/or making it Someone Else's Problem.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#257814: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:52:11 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Keep in mind that Jamal Khashoggi, the murdered journalist, was a permanent resident of America. He wasn't a Turkish journalist. He was an American journalist. He lived in Virginia. He wrote for the Washington Post. This fact has been criminally undermentioned, in my opinion.

[nja]'d

Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 16th 2018 at 3:53:05 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257815: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:53:37 PM

In Trumpland, being "only" a resident means he was not a real American.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#257816: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:55:05 PM

The fact he was brown was enough for Trump not to care.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
tsstevens Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did from Reading tropes such as Righting Great Wrongs Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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#257817: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:55:21 PM

He worked for the Washington Post, well there's your motive right there, Trump would be all for the murder of "fake news" journalists since fake news is anything not state sec.

You don't see what the big deal is? Okay, you all remember Jack Thompson?

He was the Florida lawyer crusading against video games and did everything in his power to belittle and malign gamers and creators, from telling a programmer's mother he was Hitler Youth to flooding a critic's email with gay porn. Compare, "Grab'em by the pussy," sexist and racist jokes, any opportunity to be a troll.

Thompson once said if a video game was made to his exact criteria (basically a game where you murder video game programmers) he would donate ten thousand dollars to the charity of the author's choice. The game was made and he refused to donate the money, earning widespread scorn and putting the lid on his coffin as the anti video game white knight. Trump did the exact same thing.

Edited by tsstevens on Oct 17th 2018 at 6:57:59 AM

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#257818: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:55:52 PM

[up][up] Southern Europeans are considered brown?

Looks like Erik Prince's goons are killing people in Yemen for the UAE: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/aramroston/mercenaries-assassination-us-yemen-uae-spear-golan-dahlan

Edited by CookingCat on Oct 16th 2018 at 12:57:00 PM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#257819: Oct 16th 2018 at 12:57:12 PM

My issue is that this isn't the case just in Trumpland, but in most of the coverage. He's always "the Saudi journalist." Yes, Trump repeatedly dogwhistles by saying he's not an American citizen but the media's doing a piss poor job at remembering that he's an American resident.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#257820: Oct 16th 2018 at 1:00:41 PM

Since when is Turkey considered to be part of southern europe?

Oh really when?
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#257821: Oct 16th 2018 at 1:03:08 PM

[up] East Thrace (including Istanbul, the largest city in Turkey) is.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#257822: Oct 16th 2018 at 1:04:16 PM

That sounds pretty silly honestly. Like those people who try to say Russia isn't eastern european. Most of the "western europe", "eastern europe", "middle eastern", and other similar descriptions aren't even based in geography anyway. They're based on common cultural memes and influences on the area and general population.

And for the record no, Turkish people have never been considered to be "white" in the US.

Edited by LeGarcon on Oct 16th 2018 at 4:08:23 AM

Oh really when?
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#257823: Oct 16th 2018 at 1:08:09 PM

[up] It makes sense when you consider their geographic locale and history with Greece and the rest of the Balkans.

Edited by CookingCat on Oct 16th 2018 at 1:09:05 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#257824: Oct 16th 2018 at 1:08:30 PM

... also, you know he was born in Saudi Arabia? And lived in the US? He's not Turkish by any stretch of the imagination.

Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 16th 2018 at 4:09:17 AM

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#257825: Oct 16th 2018 at 1:09:37 PM

[up] Well, people keep saying he's a Turkish journalist.


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