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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#257676: Oct 14th 2018 at 5:14:17 PM

In order for the GOP in its current form to become politically unviable I figure they'd have to lose the presidency for 3 decades or maybe more than that. And honestly I think that's a pretty tall order that I'm not entirely sure can be achieved, although I hope so. There's simply been far too much time and money spent by the right to create an audience for their policies, and that audience is anything but small.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257677: Oct 14th 2018 at 5:52:59 PM

Their audience may not be small per-se but it is a minority and relying on a demographic that is aging out, obviously, that doesn't mean that their doom is assured but they are facing a major demographic problem that I don't really see them being able to solve in their current state. Who knows what'll happen.

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#257678: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:01:44 PM

The best-case scenario would be that Trump, in this term, is the last Republican president. I don't see that happening. Even in a world where Trump manages to kill the Republican party for good in the long-term, I'm betting that we'll have at least one more Republican president after him. Maybe the Republican party decides to backpedal and tries to sell their next candidate as a representative of the new better Republican party. Regardless of if they're sincere or not, they'd fail: their base would eat them alive.

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#257679: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:11:41 PM

[up][up]I wouldn't put too much stock in the "aging out" thing seeing as we have no shortage of 20-somethings that buy into far-right views.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#257680: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:13:08 PM

For what it's worth, I'd actually argue that Trump is a backpedal of sorts from W. So if they're backpedaling from Trump then that would be a pretty good sign that they're treading water at best.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257681: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:20:49 PM

I wouldn't put too much stock in the "aging out" thing seeing as we have no shortage of 20-somethings that buy into far-right views.

We see no shortage of 20-something anecdotes who buy into far-right views, but the overall data doesn't really show the same thing.

Obviously some millennials and whatever-the-generation-after-them-is-called will be Conservatives but there isn't really data to suggest that there's enough of them to be a viable electoral demographic for the Republicans. So unfortunately for them, it's not going to be as simple as a bumper stock of reactionary twenty-somethings riding out of the sunset to save them.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 14th 2018 at 9:21:32 AM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#257682: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:21:30 PM

For what it's worth, I'd actually argue that Trump is a backpedal of sorts from W.

In what sense would you consider Trump a backpedal from Bush?

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257683: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:22:32 PM

In what sense would you consider Trump a backpedal from Bush?

Free trade arguably, IIRC Bush supported the Republican orthodoxy in favor of free trade while Trump through his tariffs and contempt for trade deals has been soundly rejecting that. So that's at least one shift in policy.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 14th 2018 at 9:22:53 AM

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#257684: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:25:26 PM

[up][up] Besides competence?tongue

[up][up][up] Not helping the GOP here is the repeated instances of school shootings. That the GOP is complicit in these via their supporting gut-totting crazies right's to have guns would not win them any favors among the demographic of future voters. Their other policies make them look borderline solipsistic (and bigoted) on top of that, which probably would hurt them further among future generations.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Oct 14th 2018 at 6:27:04 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257685: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:32:14 PM

Not helping the GOP here is the repeated instances of school shootings. That the GOP is complicit in these via their supporting gut-totting crazies right's to have guns would not win them any favors among the demographic of future voters. Their other policies make them look borderline solipsistic (and bigoted) on top of that, which probably would hurt them further among future generations.

Exactly.

If the Republican's weren't so insane and were a proper center-right party in the line of Germany's CDU then their demographics issues would be likely to just disappear, but unfortunately the inmates run the asylum and short of several devastating defeats they just aren't going to be replaced anytime soon.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#257686: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:06:51 PM

The important thing to note is that loudness does not necessarily equal size. Those angry alt righters are very willing to shout at the public, which makes them seem a lot bigger than they really are. Remember; a lot of their more recent gatherings in public spaces have actually attracted far fewer supporters than they would have liked. (Smaller groups also allow said groups to be much more extreme, since it lets you enforce conformity a lot more.)

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#257687: Oct 14th 2018 at 9:50:01 PM

So, since I don't think its been posted here yet:

This happened down in NYC

(For context: The Proud Boys, a Right-Wing hate group, beat up some people in NYC after a speaking event hosted by the Republican candidate for Governor (where they reenacted the assassination of a Japanese socialist during the 60s). Cuomo, James, and basically the rest of the major Democrats in the state called for the arrests of the men responsible, but none have been arrested thus far.

Here is a Wa Po article on the topic, but be forewarned that the Post took the "both sides are equally bad" opinion to a situation that really doesn't deserve it. More info from that article confirms three of the anti-fascist protesters were arrested, and yet none of the Proud Boys were...

Edited by AzurePaladin on Oct 14th 2018 at 12:55:54 PM

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#257688: Oct 14th 2018 at 10:16:47 PM

[up]From the sound of it, they're still looking over footage and trying to determine which side is to blame before making any arrests. They still probably should have arrested the Proud Boys by now, but I sort of get why they haven't.

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#257689: Oct 14th 2018 at 11:12:59 PM

On the senate I think it’s worth noting something, while the Dems only have a 20% chance of taking control of the senate they have a 52% chance of either holding even or making gains.

The Dems are more likely to lose seats then gain them, but the most likely outcome is no change.

Also in the event of the Dems making one net gain (which is predicted at 15.5%) in November then things aren’t over, because there will still likely be the runoff in Mississippi.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#257690: Oct 14th 2018 at 11:45:30 PM

Well, the German CDU is basically in the area of the move conservative democrats. Though its sister party, the CSU, just got a very clear answer in their home state Bavaria during the local elections this week what the Germans voter think about drifting too far to the right (basically it turned out that the Af D voter who they want to pull back by picking up Af D talking points only make up around 10% of the votes, while the moderate voters left the CSU in droves in reaction, leading to the Greens now being the second strongest party - for context the CSU used to rule with an absolute majority, they lost around 15%).

Anyway, let's assume that the Republicans really fall down...I can actually see the Democratic party splitting in the future if this happens.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#257692: Oct 15th 2018 at 12:17:15 AM

Given his love of tv and such, I very much doubt he's a Luddite of any kind. He just doesn't give a shit about what science says when it goes against his interests.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#257693: Oct 15th 2018 at 12:24:32 AM

Trump's climate change denialism is of the two-faced selfish kind. He'll deny or downplay it to satisfy business interests while having a sea wall built to protect his own properties from the effects of climate change.

Edited by M84 on Oct 16th 2018 at 3:24:55 AM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#257694: Oct 15th 2018 at 1:07:54 AM

This piece from Paul Krugman discussed the question two years ago and has a few more potential reasons.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#257695: Oct 15th 2018 at 11:20:01 AM

#BeBest, you guys.

[down] It’s parodying when Melania said in an interview that she’s the most bullied person in the world.

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 15th 2018 at 2:25:55 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#257696: Oct 15th 2018 at 11:20:40 AM

What is that video? It looks like it's from the political parody guy but I never part m much attention so I can only assume it's him.

In other words, context please?

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 15th 2018 at 12:21:40 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#257697: Oct 15th 2018 at 11:28:23 AM

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1051815633145552898

Well, Trump promised 1 million dollars to Elizabeth Warren's favorite charity if she proved she had Native American ancestry.

She does.

Now waiting for the "just kidding" defense.

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#257700: Oct 15th 2018 at 11:30:36 AM

Or someone to do it "because Trump won't" like they did with Jack Thompson.


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