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#257626: Oct 13th 2018 at 1:48:24 PM

I think it’s more that Trump has been very obvious about his desire to do such things. Name a horrible thing a past president did and ask yourself if given the chance Trump would do it himself, the answer is almost certainly yes.

Trump not doing great horrible things isn’t because he’s a better person, it’s becuse he lacks opportunity in the same way.

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#257627: Oct 13th 2018 at 1:49:26 PM

Listen, if Trump is too stupid, charismatic, or powerful to do mega-evils of that level, I don't see that as necessarily a flaw.

Then again, I think it's better not to lionize him by making him the avatar of the Right the way he wants to be.

He's a nativist neo-feudal landowning racist and sexist.

Nothing particularly new or impressive and destined to be forgotten. Herbert Hoover ejected all the Mexican Americans he could from America, including people here since the Alamo.

Trump is not special.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 13th 2018 at 1:50:27 AM

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#257628: Oct 13th 2018 at 2:17:56 PM

I think you're dangerously minimizing the damage he has done and will able to do before he's voted out in 2020 (the most plausible 'good' end to his Presidency). Does this mean that his evil has never been done before? No but acting as if he's nothing important is the worst possible way to handle it.

He's dangerous and minimizing that doesn't help anyone.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 13th 2018 at 5:18:05 AM

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#257629: Oct 13th 2018 at 2:28:41 PM

Well, with Trump, he is an oddly bad president when compared to recent examples (IE, in the last century or so). I'd also say exactly how he's bad is unusual as well. His policies are bad, sure, but some of his worst attributes are simply the way he conducts himself on a personal level. I'd also argue one of his major vices is simply apathy.

@Charles Phipps: Well, the Herbert Hoover thing isn't necessarily a good example, because that was a very different time.

Having said that, I do think that is something to recognize when people like him get compared to fascists. I'd say that his policy on Muslims, for example, reminds me a lot of FDR's treatment of the Japanese. To me, this means it's a bit unfair since there's actually a pretty wide gap between him and say, Nazis. Having said that, this is very faint praise and still qualifies him as a total D-bag.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#257630: Oct 13th 2018 at 3:08:50 PM

Just a reminder: Trump is actively responsible for all the people who died in the aftermath of the storm in Puerto Rico by ensuring that they got minimum help at best. And the reason why he did it is basically because they have the wrong skin colour and no vote.

And his Muslim ban hit a lot of people who were promised safety in the US after helping the US army in their homeland, people who are not safe where they are, some of which have already been killed. [up] And no, that isn't quite the same than what happened to the Japanese, because the internment camps (without wanting to play it down what happened back then) were NOT dead camps, they were not designed to kill anyone.

So don't tell me that Trump is in any way better than Presidents who committed genocide. His methods are different, the result is the same. And he would do worse if not for the press and the protesters sitting in his neck all the time.

The only difference between Trumpist and Nazis is that the same ideology was adjusted to modern time. But if they thought they could get away with doing what the Nazis did, they would totally do it. Just listen how they talked about the "tender age shelters". As if they are some kind of summer camp.

Edited by Swanpride on Oct 13th 2018 at 3:12:44 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#257631: Oct 13th 2018 at 3:39:19 PM

I specifically mentioned the Puerto Rico disaster.

As for being "better", this isn't a contest. This is about understanding Trump's irrelevance and not making him into what he wants to be. He is a blowhard and a con man and a petty criminal.

He's not remotely unique or worse than many previous awful Presidents and he will not leave much of a mark on history.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 13th 2018 at 3:41:12 AM

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#257632: Oct 13th 2018 at 3:49:06 PM

Trump absolutely will leave a mark on history, as the President who stole the presidency with the help of a foreign power. He will be known as the sham president who frauded the government with Russia's help.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#257633: Oct 13th 2018 at 3:50:33 PM

George W. Bush stole the election from Al Gore.

Congressmen protested officially and poor Al Gore was forced to shut them down due to the fact they didn't have a Senator sponsoring the bill to investigate the election.

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#257634: Oct 13th 2018 at 3:51:09 PM

He's the President of United States,he's going to have an BIG impact on history,to say otherwise is downplaying his role and responsibility,

edit:> George W. Bush stole the election from Al Gore.

With the hung ballots in Florida as I recall,but then again I don't think he stole them in quite the same way Trump had Russia influence the election for him

Edited by Ultimatum on Oct 13th 2018 at 3:53:34 AM

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#257635: Oct 13th 2018 at 3:59:41 PM

Bush was actully more blatent, the Supreme Court order them to stop counting votes (well recounting) and declared that Bush had won.

With Trump I get the point that he’s not the be all and end all of the problem, but he is a huge part of it and his personal faults shouldn’t be downplayed. But yes, there is mroe to it than Trump and mroe to undoing this damage than just getting Trump out of office.

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#257636: Oct 13th 2018 at 4:03:10 PM

I will said the worst of trump is not because is facist policies but because he LACK of caring about anything, that disregard and active contempt of law and organization that can be only be said about someone who is corrupt.

In many way, Trump remind of your typical latin american president, he remid me a lot of maduro for that reason.

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#257637: Oct 13th 2018 at 4:13:44 PM

In many way, Trump remind of your typical latin american president, he remid me a lot of maduro for that reason.

Something something Irony something...

Edited by RainingMetal on Oct 13th 2018 at 6:13:55 AM

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#257638: Oct 13th 2018 at 6:55:48 PM

I find it ironic that Modern Virginia turned blue, and West virginia, aside from its DINO Senator, is red, when it was opposite during the civil war.

Then again, Its probably because Virginia is right next to the very blue Washington D.C., and the fact that all the big cities outside of it are blue now, too.

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#257639: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:22:15 AM

I can say as a Virginian it’s mostly northern Virginia, although I’m certain the south of it is reaping benefits from that too. I’m extremely happy about the local elections being such a high turnout, and I believe felons have been granted the right to vote here recently which helps.

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#257640: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:33:17 AM

Yes and that business in their view was worth the lives of black people and white Republicans.

Don't whitewash the shameful cowardice of the North in allowing traitors and terrorists to get away with their crimes with impunity and win the peace.

And people criticize me when I say that real peace can never achieved without achieving justice first.

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#257641: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:48:00 AM

And people criticize me when I say that real peace can never achieved without achieving justice first.

I doubt the message is the problem, it's probably how you say it.

To be frank I've seen some rather aggressive posts from you, considering the subject matter it's understandable but we all have to control ourselves and make sure that we behave in a productive manner (as difficult as that can be, these people are rather vile).

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#257642: Oct 14th 2018 at 9:49:03 AM

El Cheeto says he isn't sure if Mathis will leave his post soon or not, but did say that he thinks he's "sort of a Democrat".

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/14/politics/donald-trump-james-mattis/index.html

By Democrat I assume he means he has different opinions sometimes.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#257643: Oct 14th 2018 at 9:56:36 AM

Apparently the “Robert E. Lee is a great guy” comment was “a shoutout to Warrior Grant” whatever that means.

NBC News has totally and purposely changed the point and meaning of my story about General Robert E Lee and General Ulysses Grant. Was actually a shoutout to warrior Grant and the great state in which he was born. As usual, dishonest reporting. Even mainstream media embarrassed!

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#257644: Oct 14th 2018 at 10:00:07 AM

Well, that's a new one. "See, when I was talking about this guy, I was actually talking about this guy! Fake news!"

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PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#257645: Oct 14th 2018 at 10:01:58 AM

That Orange Bastard is an idiot kleptocrat that will do anything to maintain his power and security.

He is the most vile US president in recent memory and there is no end to the ills I wish upon him.

He is a stain upon human society and everything wrong with capitalism.

A murderer who mocks his victims; he sickens me.

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#257646: Oct 14th 2018 at 10:04:52 AM

I mean, you're not wrong, but that's not exactly conducive to a good conversation.

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#257647: Oct 14th 2018 at 10:43:24 AM

Well, you guys have been giving your opinions on him so I decided to offer my own assessment.

It's just as valid as what others above me have said.

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#257648: Oct 14th 2018 at 10:53:13 AM

Once Trump's presidency is over I think people will look back on it as something that could have been a lot worse, some might see people response as an overreaction.

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#257649: Oct 14th 2018 at 11:04:09 AM

Once Trump's presidency is over I think people will look back on it as something that could have been a lot worse, some might see people response as an overreaction.

Nonsense, just because things could be worse doesn't mean that he isn't causing incalculable damage. There have been very few overreactions.

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#257650: Oct 14th 2018 at 11:14:20 AM

Right now it's not an overaction because he's doing the damage right now,people in future might see the damage as short term by the time the next President rolled around,hopefully anyway.

Of course Trump's has done irreparable damage,I'm not going to deny that,and the reaction is justified

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