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Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#257526: Oct 12th 2018 at 8:57:36 AM

@M84 Fair enough, I'll stop doing that for now. I'm more interested in talking about generation x and why they are the way they are.

Edited by Ludlow on Oct 12th 2018 at 8:58:15 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257527: Oct 12th 2018 at 8:58:44 AM

I've already told you why. Growing up as your parents prioritize work over you has its impact.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#257528: Oct 12th 2018 at 8:59:29 AM

[up] Can you source that claim? I’d be interested in seeing a more detailed analysis.

Oh God! Natural light!
Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#257529: Oct 12th 2018 at 9:02:49 AM

[up][up] And I offered up my counter-point in the same post you accused me of making assumptions of generation z in.

(Edited out angry outburst)

Edited by Ludlow on Oct 12th 2018 at 9:15:12 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257530: Oct 12th 2018 at 9:16:03 AM

[up][up]I'd recommend looking up JSTOR articles and such if you have a subscription. You could check out Wikipedia's pages and other sources...but those are pretty unreliable.

Disgusted, but not surprised
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#257531: Oct 12th 2018 at 9:27:20 AM

From today's developing What The Fuck Just Happened Today feed:

Two Arizona Republicans tried to make a donation to a Democratic congressman as members of the Communist Party in an attempt to link him to the far left. Two men walked into first-term Democrat Tom O'Halleran with a jar of $39.68 and insisted that the Northern Arizona University Community Party wanted them to get a receipt for the donation. When O'Halleran's finance director drove to the local Republican field office to return the money, one of the men appeared from inside the offices and was identified as the man who tried to donate the money. (The Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/12/arizona-republicans-communists-democrats-donation-attempt

Newly released emails show Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross spoke with Steve Bannon and Kris Kobach about adding a citizenship question to the U.S. Census. Contrary to Ross' originally stated intentions for adding the question, the email reveal that Ross was instead concerned that not adding a citizenship question "leads to the problem that aliens who do not actually 'reside' in the United States are still counted for congressional apportionment purposes." The emails reveal that the political effects of asking about citizenship were indeed part of the original calculus for the decision to include it. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/12/new-emails-reveal-central-political-motivation-changing-census/?utm_term=.5a99b6f998ac

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#257532: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:11:00 AM

[up] that’s just a really stupid plan. How desperate are they?

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 12th 2018 at 1:11:34 PM

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#257533: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:28:39 AM

I guess they want the Republican party to be identified as communists? [lol]

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#257534: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:32:00 AM

Generation Z began around 1992. I’m 21 and I’m a part of it. A lot of people confuse them and millennials.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#257535: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:33:42 AM

The generation divide is pretty arbitrary, frankly.

Oh really when?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#257536: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:34:09 AM

One reason I she'd about Generation X was because I was curious if I was in it. Turns out I am (born in 1982).

Anyway, a strange local story I saw pop up on my notifications I thought I'd share:

[Idaho] Fish and Game commissioner hunts ‘family of baboons’ in Africa, faces calls to resign

https://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoors/hunting/article219758365.html

My first thought was that the outrage came from taking international trips to hunt. As I work down the article, the issue seems to be that he was an unethical/unsportsmanlike hunter.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 12th 2018 at 11:44:49 AM

Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#257537: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:35:15 AM

@Fruitpork I don't know, I'm also from late 1992 but from what I read Generation Z doesn't really start till 1998. It's our younger brother's and cousin's generation.

[up][up] Well, generations are more cultural than scientific, it's about defining when a generalized youth culture begins and ends. Thus, it's always kinda of arbitrary unless viewed from decades our centuries out.

Edited by Ludlow on Oct 12th 2018 at 10:38:31 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#257538: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:37:09 AM

I’m 1995, and at the very least, I certainly wouldn’t identify with Generation Z. I can remember a time without social media, for one thing.

Oh God! Natural light!
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#257539: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:39:51 AM

That’s far from a hard line, definitions vary greatly, I’m born 1993 but I’d be identified as a millennial not gen Z by some.

Just looking at Wikipedia I’m seeing multiple different start dates for gen Z. 1993 (by a group who don’t have milenians as a generation), 1995, 1995 again, 1996, 1997, 1997 again, 1998, 2000, post-9/11, 2001 and even 2005.

Honestly the divide seems to be generally somewhere from the mid ‘90s to the early 2000s. I’d say that identifying people born in the early ‘90s as gen Z is very much dodging it, honestly, if someone born in ‘92 in gen Z then what generation is someone born twenty years later in 2012?

Edited by Silasw on Oct 12th 2018 at 5:42:20 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#257540: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:41:58 AM

Early 2000's is what I'd personally classify gen Z as. I was born in 1993 and have always seen myself as a millenial. But yeah, it really depends on how you categorize it.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Oct 12th 2018 at 1:42:25 PM

Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#257541: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:42:51 AM

@Karkat The Dalek Wasn't that a great time? No fake news, no measuring up your life and your body to the carefully curated Facebook pages' of acquaintances, actual in-person interaction. What I wouldn't give to go back, lol.

Edited by Ludlow on Oct 12th 2018 at 10:43:29 AM

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#257542: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:42:54 AM

[up]x4 Same, from a '94 baby. My childhood memories consist not of Roblox, FNAF, and Minecraft, but Ed, Edd, 'n' Eddy, Dexter's Lab, and PS1 (and 2).

[up]You forget, those were the Bush years.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Oct 12th 2018 at 1:44:09 PM

i'm tired, my friend
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#257543: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:48:07 AM

Yeah, I wouldn’t want to live in Bush’s America, unless it was a choice between it and Trump’s America.

Anyway, I don’t really remember that well anyway.

Oh God! Natural light!
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#257544: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:52:20 AM

Yeah I had a childhood before online gaming was widespread (network play was a thing but most games were single player things bought on C Ds (later DV Ds), before social media (Facebook took off during my last year at secondary/high school) and before smartphones were widespread (my last year of secondary school one girl and a blackberry and it was the cool new thing).

However unlike the generation before mine my childhood did include us all having mobile phones, web access, handheld gaming devices and often personal T Vs, computers or similar.

We had phones but not smartphones, laptops but no tablets, gaming consoles but no online play, whiteboards but not smartboards, DV Ds not digital downloads.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#257545: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:56:43 AM

Fuck, man, I still remember my old Boost Mobile phone that I had to open lol

i'm tired, my friend
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#257546: Oct 12th 2018 at 10:57:07 AM

Born in 81. I can remember a time before videogames. Those were dark times.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#257547: Oct 12th 2018 at 11:16:29 AM

After voting for Kavanaugh, a pro-Kavanaugh Dark Money money group launched a six-figure television and digital ad campaign in support of Susan Collins.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#257548: Oct 12th 2018 at 11:24:47 AM

[up]x5 The Dubya Bush years were ass. Trump's worse of course, and given the choice I'd pick a third term of Dubya over Trump...but he was still ass.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#257549: Oct 12th 2018 at 11:42:36 AM

Speaking of Bush, he can honestly fuck off. There have been a few articles praising him since Trump's tenure began but the guy is still supporting the GOP behind the scenes, including trying to get Kavanaugh confirmed.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#257550: Oct 12th 2018 at 11:46:37 AM

Plus, not being as bad as Trump doesn't make him a good president. He is just no longer the worst.


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