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#257151: Oct 8th 2018 at 9:50:38 AM

Or how Kacey Musgraves got pretty much kicked off mainstream country radio for her pro-LGBT song Follow Your Arrow.

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#257152: Oct 8th 2018 at 9:52:58 AM

Re: prison slavery: the only thing keeping it from overtaking the south again is the fact that prisoners’ children can’t be directly put to work as slaves. That’s it.

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#257153: Oct 8th 2018 at 10:04:42 AM

Slavery is owning someone else.
As Fourthspartan said, that's a specific subset of slavery (generally called "chattel slavery"), not the one and only kind of slavery to exist. "Forced labor" is the term used in academic contexts to indicate all types of slavery and slavery-adjacent practices (eg, indentured servitude, debt bondage, etc), but if someone were to say "the Nazi war machine was fueled in part by slave labor", no one's going to jump out and say "actually, it was the economic exploitation of political prisoners and the populations of conquered territories through forced labor, not slavery".

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#257154: Oct 8th 2018 at 10:13:09 AM

[up]Also in a more coloquial used like slavery can mean were the worker have very few right or dont really apply to them, in short really used worker laws or the lack of it in general.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#257155: Oct 8th 2018 at 10:17:43 AM

Given that nobody seems to be arguing "Forced Labor isn't Bad", this all seems like semantics to me.


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Hope Hicks resigned as the White House communications director and was hired as Chief Communications Officer at Fox News. (Fox News / Variety)

https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/hope-hicks-trump-new-fox-communications-chief-1202972045/

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 8th 2018 at 11:21:00 AM

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#257156: Oct 8th 2018 at 10:44:54 AM

Re: prison slavery: the only thing keeping it from overtaking the south again is the fact that prisoners’ children can’t be directly put to work as slaves. That’s it.

It has overtaken the South again. Why do you think black people get convicted for 20-40 years of prison on minor offenses of drug possession?

Why do you think Jeff Sessions and his ilk are so upset about marijuana legalization and occasionally threaten crackdowns?

The War on Drugs is a 13th Amendment workaround. Those drug laws keep our privatized prisons overflowing with conspicuously non-white inmates. To people who are bitter about having to give minorities rights, this is a feature, not a bug.

These days, pretty much any time you hear the words "Tough on Crime" touted on a politician's record, it's basically a pro-slavery dog-whistle. He's trying to tell you that he supports flooding the penal system with free laborers.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 8th 2018 at 11:48:26 AM

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#257157: Oct 8th 2018 at 11:06:07 AM

Also, who says the children of prisoners won't end up in the prisons? With poor social infrastructure and the unwillingness to properly reintegrate ex-cons into society, it's only a matter of time before their children follow them into the slammer where the state profits from their labor.

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#257158: Oct 8th 2018 at 11:14:00 AM

[up] I think the idea is they don't follow by simple default. They may do so, for the reasons you describe, but that's a could happen vs a will happen.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 8th 2018 at 12:13:54 PM

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#257159: Oct 8th 2018 at 11:21:12 AM

There's a reason that we call the education system in black majority districts the "school to prison pipeline".

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#257160: Oct 8th 2018 at 11:23:48 AM

[up][up]It's more "likely to happen because we rigged the game" vs. "will happen".

Edited by M84 on Oct 9th 2018 at 2:26:09 AM

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#257161: Oct 8th 2018 at 11:43:46 AM

These days, pretty much any time you hear the words "Tough on Crime" touted on a politician's record, it's basically a pro-slavery dog-whistle. He's trying to tell you that he supports flooding the penal system with free laborers.

100% agree with the rest of your post, but this I actually disagree with. Well, not disagree, but I point out that even though it is that dogwhistle, it's more of a bullhorn for people who don't care about facts and follow their feelings that the way to fix crime is lock people up.

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#257162: Oct 8th 2018 at 11:44:50 AM

Besides, "tough on crime" is also a deal in places without the race history of the USA, so I'd throw a caveat to the idea that it is simply crypto-racism.

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#257163: Oct 8th 2018 at 11:48:12 AM

If racism, I see it as the kind of racism that’s oblivious at ‘best’ and ignorant of how these conditions are damning generations to greater likelihood.

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#257164: Oct 8th 2018 at 12:03:37 PM

Besides, "tough on crime" is also a deal in places without the race history of the USA, so I'd throw a caveat to the idea that it is simply crypto-racism.

Considering that we're in the US political thread I think it's safe to say that we're talking about the US use of terms, and as they say tough on crime in the US is just a dog whistle for "racist authoritarian".

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#257165: Oct 8th 2018 at 12:28:46 PM

Is more of a "kill all the undesirable".

At times I found US to be weird, like a weird mix betwee chaotic stupid(MY FREEDOM OR DEATH) and Lawfull stupid(THE SYSTEM IS GOOD AND IF SEEN OPRESIVE IS BECAUSE IS GOOD).

At times I dont get you for it.

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#257166: Oct 8th 2018 at 12:40:25 PM

Is more of a "kill all the undesirable".

Well, kill or imprison.

But yes as I said it means racist authoritarian.

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#257167: Oct 8th 2018 at 1:38:54 PM

The junk science Republicans used to undermine Ford and help save Kavanaugh

I'm sorry. I know people might have moved on, but I just wanted to comment on this because, when I read the article, this jumped out at me:

“This story [of mistaken identity] that’s being offered here is a way of both trying to validate sexual assault and not deny it — which is a lovely change — but at the same time create a narrative that Kavanaugh couldn’t have been the person who did it," he said. "That’s just not consistent with memory research on misidentification.”

He's completely wrong. This isn't a 'lovely change' — the implications are actually horrific because what we're now seeing is people realising that they don't have to defend their own by denying deny sexual assault — they can actually do it by agreeing it happened.

There were two main options in the past: delegitimise the victim by claiming the event never occurred or by claiming that the event was consensual. Either way, the goal is the same: delegitimise the victim by claiming they are wilfully lying.

What we're seeing here is the Republicans wilfully using the MeToo movement itself to delegitimise Ford's testimony: it's no longer 'demonise the victim as wilfully lying to portray them as unreliable and untrustworthy'. This is 'pity the victim as accidentally lying to portray them as unreliable and untrustworthy'.

In all three options the conclusion is the same: the victim is not telling the truth about what really happened.

And the third option comes with a new, insidious twist: sympathise, don't demonise.

This is the very opposite of a 'lovely change'.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 8th 2018 at 9:44:17 AM

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#257168: Oct 8th 2018 at 1:45:51 PM

[up]I thing that part is sarcasm in it show the republican now belive ford said is truth but refuse to see Brett as the guilty party.

What is amazing is that aparently brett got the right to be emocional because he being question like that, is moral dissoance as is finiest.

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#257169: Oct 8th 2018 at 1:52:03 PM

Speaking of Kavanaugh, I was just wondering; earlier today I saw a newspaper headline here in Britain (it was The Guardian, for the record) telling me that the Republicans were hoping to 'turn [the controversy surrounding Kavanaugh's nomination] to their electoral advantage' (paraphrased), and were calling it a 'Brett Bounce'.

All I could ask myself at the time was - how, exactly? Maybe I'm missing something here, but everything I've seen tells me that this can be nothing but harmful to their electoral prospects. Die-hard Republicans (by which I mean those who haven't already disowned the party by now) were going to vote for them anyway, who can they expect to gain who wouldn't have otherwise voted for them? Are they telling us there are some Republicans who were all 'hmm, I wasn't sure about the Trump Administration, but them sticking to their guns and putting an alleged sexual predator on the Supreme Court has totally turned me around'? :V

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#257170: Oct 8th 2018 at 1:57:01 PM

[up]The indignation that the Republican base felt at "the democrats manufacturing a controversy to try and get kavanaugh off the court" (because that's how they perceived it) had an effect on republican enthusiasm on the polls, which helped close the gap between their base and the democrats'. They're hoping, I assume, to keep channeling that anger.

However, at this point there is no telling if that will happen indefinitely, the polls haven't really accounted for Kavanaugh's confirmation yet.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Oct 8th 2018 at 4:56:36 AM

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#257171: Oct 8th 2018 at 2:01:14 PM

I think the rationale is "we got a win we can brag about during the election". It will certainly work with certain voters, but I think the republicans are really miscalculating here. For starters, they are basically saying "look how great it is going for us", giving the ones who are already on their side no matter what little reason to believe that their vote would be particularly important while at the same time enraging those who felt uncomfortable with what happened.

One has to understand one thing about the republicans: They actually believe that everyone is just as corrupt as them and just as hateful as them.

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#257172: Oct 8th 2018 at 2:05:30 PM

Yeah, for republican they have to strugle with trump erratic choices and the fact the dems have in part sit down and let him hurt himself of capitalizing in his lunacy.

But, this is diferent, for many brett does look inocent and sane enought and because of it, it look like a dems plot to take away the SCOTUS and political grab plot for them, which united as well.

Hell, if anything this have impulsed the idea of false rape alegation waaaaaaaay more than it should, it will probably come out on the mainstrain a this point.

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#257173: Oct 8th 2018 at 2:05:47 PM

I thing that part is sarcasm in it show the republican now belive ford said is truth but refuse to see Brett as the guilty party.

What is amazing is that aparently brett got the right to be emocional because he being question like that, is moral dissoance as is finiest.

In certain situations, men are allowed to be emotional, but women? Emotional Control: They're cold, hard-hearted, detached. Emotional: They're hysterical and unstable.

That said, there is a trap that men can fall into if they're not careful: emotion is allowed in the right context and the right amount. Otherwise, tolerance transforms into homophobia.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 8th 2018 at 10:11:07 AM

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#257174: Oct 8th 2018 at 2:10:33 PM

Uh, what? Men are only allowed to be emotional if that emotion is anger. Any other emotion means that they're girly and/or gay, and as such, deserve nothing but scorn, derision, and repeated kicks to the groin.

(Not that this detracts from the rest of your post, mind)

Edited by Reflextion on Oct 8th 2018 at 5:13:57 AM

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#257175: Oct 8th 2018 at 2:12:00 PM

[up]Maybe but it show the conservative can AND does apropiate left narative wehtn it fit them.

Becuase much of it surrunding brett make him look like a woman charged by assult: he is by a lot of presure, he can be emocional, his life is a mess and is over, you are afecting is reputation.

all that stuff wont sound out of place by dems defending ford and yet it was used in brett.

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