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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257076: Oct 7th 2018 at 6:22:27 AM

Because it doesn't matter if your vote change the outcome or not, in any case it reflects what you are standing for. Let's assume that he hadn't been confirmed. That wouldn't have made the votes of all the people who voted for him suddenly okay just because they didn't win, they were STILL voting for installing someone obviously unsuited for the job for political reasons.

Ok, I see the issue, we aren't talking about factual questions like whether or not he decided the vote we're talking about values such as how much one cares about symbolism.

Honestly, this isn't really a discussion that's going to go anywhere because it's just too subjective. Personally, I care about symbolism as a means to an end and how it has practical consequences. You obviously care about it by itself, which is fair and reasonable but we're looking at this from completely different perspectives (if not ethical frameworks) so there's not much discussion that can be had about it.

If it's ok with you I'd rather to just agree to disagree.

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#257077: Oct 7th 2018 at 6:23:02 AM

[up][up] Yes; every and any Politician can be impeached, including Supreme Court Justices. It has only ever happened once, however, to Justice Samuel Chase in 1804 (for Political bias and arbitrary rulings, and promoting a partisan political agenda on the bench), and he wasn't found Guilty.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Oct 7th 2018 at 9:22:34 AM

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#257078: Oct 7th 2018 at 6:25:53 AM

Good. Because there's no doubt in my mind that Brett Kavanaugh is a fucking serial rapist.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257079: Oct 7th 2018 at 6:26:29 AM

Yes; every and any Politician can be impeached, including Supreme Court Justices. It has only ever happened once, however, to Justice Samuel Chase in 1804 (for Political bias and arbitrary rulings, and promoting a partisan political agenda on the bench), and he wasn't found Guilty.

Yeah, court packing my in-fact be easier. Still, there's a first time for everything and we live in interesting times (in the apocryphal Chinese sense) so who knows...

Good. Because there's no doubt in my mind that Brett Kavanaugh is a fucking serial rapist.

Preach it.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 7th 2018 at 9:26:05 AM

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#257080: Oct 7th 2018 at 6:29:54 AM

I’d say formally charge him with perjury but yeah I’m with you. It takes 66 senators to do it though which isn’t easy, it means winning pretty much everything this year and then doing that again in 2020. Though if it’s only a shortage of one or two votes the Dems could make gains in 2022 even if it is a midterm against them.

Manchin can redeem himself by being the final vote to convict in the senate.

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#257081: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:04:34 AM

Is it really court packing if we're just adding one more judge, which seems to be the most popular idea? It's more like court balancing, putting an even number of progressive and conservative justices up there.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257082: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:10:21 AM

Is it really court packing if we're just adding one more judge, which seems to be the most popular idea? It's more like court balancing, putting an even number of progressive and conservative justices up there.

Court packing is just altering the composition of the court for political ends, adding any justices would be court packing.

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#257083: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:12:41 AM

Curious question: If the number of Justices were increased to 10, what would happen with a 5-5 vote on a case? Who would be the tie breaker?

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#257084: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:13:53 AM

There is no way in Hell any Republican Senator is going to vote to Impeach a young, conservative Justice with a Democrat in office (we are assuming substantial Democratic gains in 2020, yes?). They've made their bed and doubled down.

And getting 2/3rds of the Senate blue sounds like a longshot, even in 2020.

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#257085: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:15:53 AM

Curious question: If the number of Justices were increased to 10, what would happen with a 5-5 vote on a case? Who would be the tie breaker?

There are no tiebreakers in the Supreme Court. The SC is the final court of the land that a case can be appealed to; nothing starts there. When you're taking a case to the Supreme Court, it is basically your last chance to request an official do-over of a decision already made.

Consequentially, if the SC's decision is tied between justices, the resulting action is no action: the ruling of the previous court remains intact, whatever it was.

Ten Justices who consistently vote 5-5 would functionally paralyze the Supreme Court from ever making any real decisions, leaving the decision-making process in the hands of the lower courts. This might not be a bad thing.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 7th 2018 at 8:17:43 AM

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#257086: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:21:48 AM

Ethical framework? This is no question of ethics. If you vote for something, you are supporting it, period.

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#257087: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:21:48 AM

[up][up]Too bad the Trump administration has been busy filling lower courts with people they want.

Edited by M84 on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:21:17 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257088: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:45:12 AM

Ethical framework? This is no question of ethics. If you vote for something, you are supporting it, period.

Of course it's a question of ethics.

Ethically I view the consequences of a symbolic no vote to be worse than a symbolic yes vote, you obviously disagree.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257091: Oct 7th 2018 at 8:19:33 AM

Ugh, this alongside using #Me Too! as a shield really makes me despise Collins. She's scum and I can't wait to see her stupidity catch up with her.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 7th 2018 at 11:19:18 AM

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#257092: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:00:36 AM

Just FYI, there was a period of time in the 1800s when the court had 10 justices. There's real precedent for expansion that simply no one is willing to invoke.

[up]Apparently, there's a pot accumulating for Collins' next challenger. Make a contribution so we can try and get her out next election.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Oct 7th 2018 at 12:01:06 PM

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#257093: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:06:33 AM

I’d advocate for adding two more justices, if nothing else to prevent a tie.

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#257094: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:11:47 AM

[up][up] That pot's up to 3.4 million.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#257095: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:12:36 AM

Apparently, there's a pot accumulating for Collins' next challenger. Make a contribution so we can try and get her out next election.

Yup, in fact, if we're thinking of the same thing it crashed after receiving more than $2 million in donations.

So I feel very comfortable assuming that she's going to deeply regret her decision come 2020.

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#257096: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:27:01 AM

She's the last New England Republican in the Senate.

Let's take out the trash.

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#257097: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:30:36 AM

How much did Collins spend on her last election?

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#257098: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:45:13 AM

She's the last New England Republican in the Senate.

Let's take out the trash.

We need to fucking decimate the Republicans in this midterm. They appointed a lying, alcoholic rapist to the highest court in the country just because he's willing to cater to right-wing interests and insulate God Emperor Trump from any repercussions for his wrongdoings. We can't let them get away with this.

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#257099: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:54:15 AM

I just donated a small amount of money to Heidi Heitkamp, Beto O'Rourke, and Jacky Rosen.

Even if we can't take back the Senate completely, we need to get as many states blue as possible

EDIT: Donated to Kyrsten Sinema as well

Edited by MrHellboy on Oct 7th 2018 at 12:18:55 PM

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#257100: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:57:54 AM

There's a fund for lindsey graham and mitch mconnell's opponents as well. I don't have any news on how well these funds are doing at the moment though.

I don't know how likely it is to get rid of mcconnell but nothing would make me happier.


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