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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#256201: Sep 30th 2018 at 5:57:58 PM

Daily Kos is an activist blog, not objective journalism. It's not really a reliable source.

What exactly are you talking about?

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#256202: Sep 30th 2018 at 6:12:52 PM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13103447000A18674100&page=10247#comment-256167

Does anyone know if Politizoom, Daily Kos or @Top Rope Travis are reliable sources of news? An American friend put an 'exclusive' on their news feed a couple of hours ago; these sources are claiming Dr. Ford's father isn't publicly supporting her because he's worried he'll lose his position on a local (Republican) country club.

I'm not linking directly to it because I don't know if it's reliable. (The big red flag for me is that the source claims the statement was made to the Washington Post, but the WP isn't reporting it at all. In fact, no mainstream news source is.)

I am assuming that Ramidel is making a belated response to this.

I agree that Daily Kos isn't a reliable source, and we shouldn't be posting links to it here.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#256203: Sep 30th 2018 at 7:12:06 PM

Getting reports that Canada and the US have reached a NAFTA deal.

Once details come out, I am either going to be relieved or livid. Either way, I need more booze.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#256204: Sep 30th 2018 at 7:41:11 PM

[up]From what's been written it's similar to what would have happened had Trump not pulled out of the TPP, but ultimately it's not a done deal as it still needs to be ratified by the various country's legislative bodies.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#256205: Sep 30th 2018 at 9:41:18 PM

IIRC, the deadline to officially ratify it is by November 30.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#256206: Oct 1st 2018 at 12:35:15 AM

Fantastic piece of journalism about the relationship between rural Republicans and undocumented labor.

It starts with the story of how Devin Nunes’ family quietly runs a Dairy Farm in Iowa, in the middle of Steve King’s district, but has seemingly been actively trying to conceal, but quickly turns into a deep dive into the Agricultural Industry’s dependence on undocumented labor, and why Republicans would support people like Steve King, who’s hardline immigration stances would likely destroy their livelihoods.

I’m not going to put it here, because it’s really long, but it’s very much worth a read.

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 1st 2018 at 7:20:24 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#256207: Oct 1st 2018 at 1:53:54 AM

Since when is Idaho in Iowa?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#256208: Oct 1st 2018 at 2:08:25 AM

https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/united-states-mexico-canada-agreement

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/canada-beats-midnight-deadline-to-join-trade-deal-with-us-and-mexico

Ugh, looks like they might have slipped SOPA or some other shitty copyright law into the new NAFTA, as one of the points is "supporting a 21st Century economy through new protections for U.S. intellectual property, and ensuring opportunities for trade in U.S. services".

Edited by CookingCat on Oct 1st 2018 at 2:07:59 AM

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#256209: Oct 1st 2018 at 2:39:55 AM

That phrasing sounds more like it allows for more stringent pursuit of copyright infringement out of US borders rather than rewriting US copyright law as SOPA does.

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#256210: Oct 1st 2018 at 2:44:07 AM

[up] Still sucks for Canada, though.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#256211: Oct 1st 2018 at 2:46:28 AM

There was no way Canada was going to get a good deal. That was impossible the moment Trump won. His whole shtick is "America First" and "Fuck the rest of the world". Canada was either going to lose NAFTA or NAFTA would be rewritten to be shittier for them.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#256212: Oct 1st 2018 at 8:00:16 AM

I guess Trudeau can kiss a second term goodbye, while the Canadian populist right will be giddy knowing that the Canadian populace will be pissed at this.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#256214: Oct 1st 2018 at 8:13:18 AM

[up]Aren't Canadians technically more protectionist of their economy than the US? Chances are they're not going to be happy with these new NAFTA terms, which are explicitly meant to benefit only US businesses.

Edited by Mario1995 on Oct 1st 2018 at 11:13:18 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#256215: Oct 1st 2018 at 8:14:13 AM

I'm starting to think that you're not taking the hint-slash-giant-neon-letters about how easily your pessimism comes off as hyperbolic panic and/or fearmongery ~Mario 1995

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 1st 2018 at 9:26:18 AM

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#256217: Oct 1st 2018 at 8:28:20 AM

Details on the new deal

So far nothing looks particularly severe. Farmers are gonna be pissed about their new Class 7 pricing being gone so soon, but meh. Unless some big change unknown till now comes about, I doubt it'll affect Trudeau too much.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#256218: Oct 1st 2018 at 8:40:28 AM

As far as I can tell the deal is basically the status quo with one or two minor adjustments. It's basically the usual crab, Trump having a giant temper tantrum in order to get more or less the same agreements the US had before, but now Trump can claim them as his achievement.

NATO and the EU even managed this by simply rewording a few minor points.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#256219: Oct 1st 2018 at 8:44:21 AM

Colour me more relieved than anything.

Chapter 19 was maintained entirely, supply management was only subject to minor adjustments and is here to stay, and the updates (good and bad) have been happening in other trade deals anyway.

Yep, its a bullet dodged, though the national security tariffs are still up and there's zero guarantee they will stop or be dropped.

The major downside is that it gives Trump a win to tout domestically before the Midterms, but that was never a core consideration.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Oct 1st 2018 at 12:51:02 PM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#256220: Oct 1st 2018 at 9:13:12 AM

One group that's not happy about the new NAFTA? Canadian milk producers.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#256221: Oct 1st 2018 at 9:29:00 AM

They took a minor hit, true enough. The thing is, the Conservatives likely would have sold out their entire industry, and no other party has a prayer of forming government. Had Clinton won and signed on to TPP, they'd be in almost the same boat.

They'd be best off pushing country of origin labels, and selling their stuff over American products, playing off health concerns and/or anti-Americanism as required.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#256222: Oct 1st 2018 at 9:37:25 AM

One group that's not happy about the new NAFTA? Canadian milk producers.

That's non-news.

There was no scenario where they'd have been happy.

NAFTA could've been re-ratified as it were, and they'd be writing about how unhappy they were. Obviously any consession on the dairy bit would have them complain.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#256223: Oct 1st 2018 at 10:21:39 AM

Yeah, the best thing for the milk producers to do now would probably be to push the nationalism angle in their advertising.

Anyone else feel like the name is tailored towards appeasing Trump's ego? Just thinking that because we've gone from "North-American" to a listing of countries where the US is placed first. And he's just childish enough to think that's important.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#256224: Oct 1st 2018 at 10:31:22 AM

Nice to know that diary farmers are the same, no matter where.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#256225: Oct 1st 2018 at 11:40:09 AM

Some news, the White House has authorized the FBI to expand its investigation into Judge Kavanaugh by allowing them to interview anyone they want.

Glad to see that the White House backed down due to the public outcry, now we'll just see what the FBI can dig up in the allotted time.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 1st 2018 at 2:41:30 PM

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