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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#256126: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:43:29 PM

Guessing, assuming, the point is I'm not saying anything for certain. As much as Humans Are Bastards on a grand enough scale, individual people will tend to be decent, it's just that the ones who aren't get all the attention. Admittedly that wasn't the best warning, yes, most people who do it get away in relative silence, but the ones who don't get justifiably crucified over it.

Except as the link I provided earlier demonstrates it's not about "humans are bastards" or "it's a few bad apples", there are very strong cultural forces of misogyny and toxic masculinity that lead to large numbers of men harassing or assaulting women.

There just isn't anything factual to the idea that the people who do it get crucified over it, just look at our President and the ascending Supreme Court judge.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 29th 2018 at 5:43:18 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#256127: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:44:16 PM

I admit to being one of the people who don't actually think the e-mail thing affected things but I understand perfectly people who don't—nd that this might have swayed the election and ruined the country.

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#256128: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:44:41 PM

[up][up]Yeah, they do not get crucified. They all too often get defenders who blame the victim, say “boys will be boys”, and other excuses.

Edited by M84 on Sep 29th 2018 at 5:45:31 PM

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TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#256129: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:46:17 PM

Most. Two hugely high profile examples does not invalidate most.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#256130: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:49:01 PM

If a particularly high number of people in a society act out, you can assume that the problem is in the social environment. Just like India has a problem with rape culture (a huge one!) the US obviously has too. And the only way to address it is to admit it.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#256131: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:50:44 PM

Most. Two hugely high profile examples does not invalidate most.

Two huge examples existing in a country where most sexual predators are punished makes no sense logically, if rape culture wasn't as powerful as it is we wouldn't have Donald Trump as President and Brett Kavanaugh would not be close to becoming a Supreme Court judge.

I'm a dude, I completely understand how it may seem unreal that women are so often preyed upon and their victimizers left unpunished but that's the reality of the situation. Denying it helps no-one.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 29th 2018 at 5:50:17 AM

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#256132: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:51:52 PM

Well, color me stunned: It seems the White House is controlling the FBI investigation into Brett Kavanaugh

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/kavanaugh-investigation-limited-by-white-house-report.html

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#256133: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:54:49 PM

I'm not arguing about rape culture or anything. I'm taking issue with the idea that people usually get away with it, cases like Trump and Kavanaugh are special because they have power, money, and rabid devotees backing them up, something that's not the case for... well, most people in general.

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#256134: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:55:39 PM

They almost always get away with it. Ask any woman and they'll tell you.

Oh really when?
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#256135: Sep 29th 2018 at 2:57:47 PM

[up][up] The handy-dandy RAINN chart. Only 6 out of every 1000 will end up incarcerated.

TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#256136: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:01:15 PM

I did not know that existed. But again, that gets away from what I was arguing, or at least intend to be arguing, although that's partially my fault for being flaky. My point is that the vast majority of people aren't going to commit any kind of sexual crimes, it's just that the ones who do and get caught and convicted get (rightly) raked over the coals and that colours the narratives.

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Sep 29th 2018 at 6:11:23 AM

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#256137: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:04:54 PM

[up] Not really. You tried to argue most rapists do not get away with it. Burr provided evidence to the contrary.

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#256138: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:07:31 PM

With the caveat of social classes, I believe.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#256139: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:10:13 PM

Not sure what you are arguing...fact is that if so many people were comfortable to vote for Trump despite the "grab them by the pussy" tape paired with multiple sexual assault and one rape allegation being out there is shows that in addition to all those people who commit assault and get away with it, there is also a huge group of people ready to excuse such a behaviour. And that is why in turn so many people get away with it.

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#256140: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:10:59 PM

You had a bar on campus?! My god it's like they wanted to live up to the stereotypes :O

This is the UK, laws and culture are lax over here, the age to buy booze is 18 and the age to consume booze on your own private property is 5, at age 16 your allowed a beer with a meal at a restaurant.

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#256141: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:12:21 PM

I'm not sure what I'm arguing at this point either. I think I'm just saying don't judge huge swaths of the population by the actions of a relative few. Or at least, that's what I initially meant to say.

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Sep 29th 2018 at 6:16:54 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#256142: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:22:19 PM

I'm not sure what I'm arguing at this point either. I think I'm just saying don't judge huge swaths of the population by the actions of a relative few. Or at least, that's what I initially meant to say.

1 in 6 American women have either suffered attempted rape or rape, this will never be solved if you treat it as something done by "a relative few".

It's a structural issue of our culture that can only be addressed by addressing toxic masculinity and misogyny, I'm sure you don't mean to cause harm but this argument is deeply harmful and it does nothing more than help defend the men who actually cause harm.

Simply because in a world where only special criminals can engage in sex crimes than the argument that "he was a good boy with great prospects" will continue to be an effective argument.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 29th 2018 at 6:21:50 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#256143: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:28:28 PM

Yeah, there is nothing unusual about having some sort of bar on Germany campuses either. Nothing big or fancy, but some sort of place where student parties happen, movies are shown and naturally you can put alcohol there. Mostly simply beer.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#256144: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:29:29 PM

Well, color me stunned: It seems the White House is controlling the FBI investigation into Brett Kavanaugh

He totally denies it, said it didn’t happen! You have to listen to him also!!

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 29th 2018 at 6:29:23 AM

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#256145: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:31:57 PM

So... he's gonna get confirmed, isn't he? All this was just a big show

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#256146: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:32:30 PM

How likely is it that the FBI will be able to find anything damning with their investigation limited like this?

Edited by kkhohoho on Sep 29th 2018 at 5:34:48 AM

TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#256147: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:34:11 PM

I don't see how treating rape as something done by "a relative few" detracts from the seriousness of the issue. The heinousness of the act itself remains.

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Sep 29th 2018 at 6:40:31 AM

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#256148: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:39:39 PM

The seriousness of the issue is that it's happening everywhere all the time.

Oh really when?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#256149: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:40:18 PM

We'll see...the more this whole matter blows up the more likely the Republicans might reconsider and instead push through another hard-liner with less, well, issues.

TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#256150: Sep 29th 2018 at 3:41:07 PM

Which doesn't mean it's not literally done by "a relative few".

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