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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#255951: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:15:23 AM

[up]A non-statement, maybe? Isn't this the kind of thought process Jeff Flake had, before he ultimately decided to confirm Kavanaugh?

Edited by Mario1995 on Sep 28th 2018 at 1:18:18 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#255952: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:22:22 AM

No.

Yes.

You don't get to so cavalierly dismiss a very possible idea like that, Kavanaugh could very well damage the court's credibility enough to make impeachment or court packing viable. There is nothing rational about dismissing the possibility without strong evidence.

[up]A non-statement, maybe? Isn't this the kind of thought process Jeff Flake had, before he ultimately decided to confirm Kavanaugh?

It's hysterics, the idea that the confirmation of Kavanaugh would lead to women fleeing the country is ridiculous and says far more about you then it does about them. What's more realistic is that it will lead them to vote for Democrats in droves.

I mean for fuck's sake there are women living in Afghanistan, try to keep some perspective. This isn't enough to cause an unprecedented demographics change like that.

You really have to get over your fixation on the idea of people fleeing the country, that's your thing, not a real phenomenon people seriously support.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 28th 2018 at 1:23:00 PM

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#255953: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:24:28 AM

Donnelley is a Democrat. Liberal outrage is gonna scare him more than Conservative outrage. He playing this the way he had to- vote No, but make a show of thinking about it so it's clear he's not just doing what the party wanted him to. And, of course, Collins and Murkowski weren't afraid of Conservative outrage enough of it to prevent them from killing the Obamacare repeal.

The confirmation is by no means inevitable. It's never been inevitable. I'd even go as far as to say it's got less than a 50% chance of happening at this point.

Saying 'oh, this bad thing that everyone's spend the last few weeks wondering whether or not is gonna happen is totally inevitable, don't be fooled by any evidence to the contrary' is... not quite hysteria, but it is a very grating brand of delusional pessimism.

[up]But yeah, that's certainly hysteria. I didn't read Mario's post carefully enough to catch that piece of outright hysteria.

Edited by Gilphon on Sep 28th 2018 at 1:26:38 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#255954: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:31:27 AM

I mean, certain people support it, aren't we undergoing a bit of a brain drain from scientist moving to other countries?

But some massive exodus of women in general because Kavanuagh being on the Supreme Court is tantamount to a death sentence? Yeah, that's sort of completely ridiculous.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 28th 2018 at 12:34:33 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#255955: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:35:28 AM

I mean, certain people support it, aren't we undergoing a bit of a brain drain from scientist moving to other countries?

Yeah, this is absolutely possible, the important difference between women and trained professionals as demographics is that belonging to the latter means that you have the education and resources to successfully immigrate where you want. While having a vagina offers no such benefits.

Hence why it's so ridiculous.

(I realize you're not saying otherwise I'm just explaining my logic)

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#255956: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:41:44 AM

The vote's... been delayed.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#255957: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:43:55 AM

Again? Should we consider this a good sign?

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#255958: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:45:02 AM

[up]Not sure. What is sure though is that Dems were apparently smiling. And Grassley and Grahm didn't look too pleased.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#255959: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:45:49 AM

Delayed shortly followed by "it's been cancelled" hopefully

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#255960: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:46:00 AM

Nah. It's because Flake and Coons are in a closed-door meeting, per CNN.

...Yeah, it was a break.

UPDATE: Flake is asking for a delay by a week for an FBI investigation.

Yeah, this is not going to happen, knowing the GOP.

Edited by Mario1995 on Sep 28th 2018 at 1:53:18 PM

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#255961: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:53:51 AM

Flake is calling for a one-week delay for an FBI investigation. Doesn't look like it will matter, though.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Sep 28th 2018 at 10:56:53 AM

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#255962: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:54:40 AM

Apparently, Flake is calling for a week-long delay so that the FBI can conduct an investigation.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Sep 28th 2018 at 1:54:43 PM

Oh God! Natural light!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#255963: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:55:16 AM

Is one week enough for what's being investigated?

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 28th 2018 at 11:54:39 AM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#255964: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:55:43 AM

Flake saying he'll vote to advance Kavanaugh to the floor with that understanding.

Wait til the GOP dupes him again.

Obviously, he won't get his FBI investigation. The question is whether or not Flake will confirm Kavanaugh in the final vote.

Edited by Mario1995 on Sep 28th 2018 at 2:01:43 PM

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#255965: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:03:27 AM

There's no Motion on an Investigation, Flake just seems to expect (or grandstand) it'll happen now. He's even saying he'll ask the WH about it.

So, yeah, bullshit on the stage.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#255966: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:10:18 AM

This just seems like a personal fig leaf for Flake, to allow him to vote Kavanaugh through whole still looking principaled and/or avoiding the ire of his colleagues.

If he actually votes no when the investigation fails to materialize then it might actually mean something.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#255967: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:18:47 AM

I don't really understand Flake's game here, to be honest. Like, he's not running re-election. He'll be out in November no matter what happens. Why is he running around like this instead of just owning his opinion, whatever that may be?

I would not expect a week to be long enough for a full FBI investigation, though. Surely that kinda thing takes time, especially when we're talking about something happened decades ago.

Edited by Gilphon on Sep 28th 2018 at 2:22:57 PM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#255968: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:20:31 AM

Maybe he wants McSally to win his seat?

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#255969: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:22:57 AM

Because this is his opinion. He's onboard with Kavanaugh so long as the guy isn't a rapist. Thus, requesting an investigation.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#255970: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:29:58 AM

And chances are, he won't get it, but will still confirm Kavanaugh anyway, because he clearly doesn't want a Democrat taking his open seat.

Edited by Mario1995 on Sep 28th 2018 at 2:29:36 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#255971: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:32:57 AM

I don't see how Flake voting "yes" for this could make a Democrat taking his seat somehow less likely. If anything it would probably just energize Democratic voters in Arizona some more.

And I'd imagine the most likely effect would be none at all, really.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 28th 2018 at 1:35:18 PM

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#255972: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:34:46 AM

[up][up] Jesus Christ, what does Kavanaugh have to do with who wins Jeff Flake's seat? Trump only won Arizona by 3.5 points and soured there since Mc Cain's funeral fiasco. You're really trying hard to justify why Kavanaugh will be confirmed no matter what. We get it.

Edited by Grafite on Sep 28th 2018 at 7:34:29 PM

Life is unfair...
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#255973: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:36:04 AM

[up][up]Republicans live in an alternate reality where voting for Trump's preferences will boost up the base to vote. Worse, as their special election losses mount, they're isolating themselves into this reality more than ever.

[up]Every single Republican voted for tax cuts last year because otherwise they felt they would lose support from their donors and by extension their base.

Edited by Mario1995 on Sep 28th 2018 at 2:37:18 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#255974: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:37:56 AM

Okay, but what does that have to do with Flake, specifically here? A Republican voting for Trump's picks is the natural order? You think the status quo is going to energize people?

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#255975: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:38:07 AM

Republicans live in an alternate reality where voting for Trump's preferences will boost up the base to vote. Worse, as their special election losses mount, they're isolating themselves into this reality more than ever.

Yes they live in an alternate reality which is why you should not take their propaganda at face value, they hope that this will spur the base on to vote but I see no evidence that it's anything other than delusion.

What will happen if he's confirmed is that Democratic turnout will receive a shot in the arm and women could very likely turn out in droves to vote against Republicans, both of which together could mean horrible things for them electorally.

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