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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#255776: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:29:33 AM

@Native Jovian, are you forgetting 2004, or where there shenanigans involved in that too? Because I've never heard anything really being iffy about Bush winning that time.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#255777: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:30:22 AM

Well, despite not asking any questions himself during the testimony, Hatch had a nice little Open Mouth, Insert Foot when addressing the press afterwards.

Reporter: Do you find her credible?
Hatch: It's too early to say. I don't think she's uncredible, I think she's an attractive, good witness.
Other Reporter: "What do you mean by 'attractive', sir?
Hatch: Oh. In other words, she's pleasing.

I'm willing to look at this as a That Came Out Wrong moment, but damn does that not help.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#255778: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:30:49 AM

I got the impression Jovian mostly meant Bush and Trump's initial election into office.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 27th 2018 at 12:31:39 PM

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#255779: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:32:01 AM

Lindsey Graham just falsely told a bunch of reporters that Democrats are never subjected to accusations of sexual misconduct, and warned them that if Kavanaugh fails, Republicans will gin up false accusations against future Democratic nominees to even the score. Wow.

...So apparently Graham lives in a fantasy world where Bill Clinton was never impeached.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#255781: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:33:37 AM

[up][up] He also seems to have forgotten about Al Franken. Which was not that long ago.

[nja]

Edited by M84 on Sep 28th 2018 at 2:33:01 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#255782: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:33:43 AM

I mean, those examples disprove his point, so of course they don't exist. Isn't that how Republican logic works?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#255783: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:34:19 AM

I'd call it Insane Troll Logic, but that's insulting to insane trolls.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#255784: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:43:27 AM

He won't stop, it seems.

@LindseyGrahamSC is on TV, talking like the Senate Republicans are the real victims. He's pretty pissed off. Imagine how he'd feel if he was a victim of sexual assault and they were trying to put his assailant on the Supreme Court. #KavanaughHearings

Edited by Deadbeatloser22 on Sep 27th 2018 at 7:43:01 PM

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#255785: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:44:22 AM

I guess what little integrity Graham had left went to the grave with Mc Cain.

Also did he just reveal that any sexual misconduct charges against Democrats from now on can plausibly be considered Republican attacks?

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#255786: Sep 27th 2018 at 11:57:09 AM

I would like to apologise for my use of the term "lynching".

I meant it in the sense of going after someone as a large group - a mob - without due evidence or the like. I did not consider the implications of the word. Indeed, I didn't even think the word came from an actual name. I figured it was older than it actually was. I will remove it from my vocabulary.

Perhaps I'll use "mob law" instead.

Voltron64 Since: Jul, 2016
#255787: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:05:12 PM

[up] How about “put down like the rabid animals they are?”

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#255788: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:15:11 PM

Watching Kavanaugh talk now.

He looks like he's about to break out in hives.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#255789: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:16:04 PM

Graham Is all over the place today, he’s shot down the idea of the two guys who ‘confessed’, said all this shit but has now also acknowledged that Ford is a victim, while also saying that Kavanaugh is a victim.

The man is loosing it.

Oh and I’ll repeate my request from before for a linkable non-partisan source for candidate positions in the Georgia governor’s race.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#255791: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:17:38 PM

For a news outlet source regarding Graham's meltdown.

Well, let me put it this way to my Republican colleagues: if this becomes the new standard where you have an accusation for weeks, you drop it right before the hearing, you withhold from the committee a chance to do this in a professional timely fashion, when they say they’re going to do this is to delay the vote, get the Senate back in 2018 so they can fill the seat, I don’t want to publicly reward that kind of behavior. I think we’ve been very fair.

That alone has a few layers of bullshit caked onto it.

  • 1) The accusation hasn't been dropped, otherwise she wouldn't have been at the hearing.
  • 2) The Democrats can't "fill the seat" - Trump will still be President after the Midterms, so he still gets to nominate whoever the hell he likes.
  • 3) "Very fair"? Such as dumping ten-thousand pages on the Democrats the night before the hearing while withholding a shitload more under "Executive Privilege"? Elena Kagan, by contrast, had none withheld on those grounds.

“And to my Republican colleagues, if you can ignore everything in this record, an allegation that’s 35 years old, that’s uncertain in time, place, date and no corroboration, if that’s enough for you, God help us all as Republicans,” Graham continued. “Because this happens to us, but this never happens to them.”

“Let me tell my Democratic friends, if this is the new norm, you better watch out for your nominees,” he added.

Edited by ironballs16 on Sep 27th 2018 at 3:23:29 PM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#255792: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:19:59 PM

By drop he will mean drop on the committee, so drop as in reveal not drop as in get rid off.

Oh and I hear that Kavanaugh is living up to his belligerent reputation?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#255793: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:22:33 PM

Fun fact: the last time a Republican president was legitimately elected was Bush Sr in 1988. (Bush Jr lost the popular vote and only won the Electoral College through blatant shenanigans in Florida, Trump lost the popular vote and only won the Electoral College by razor-thin margins with the help of foreign influence.)

To be fair, as devastating as it was to me at the time, (and it really, really was, between the Iraq war and the administration’s persecution of the lgbtq community) Bush did win 2004 fairly. And yeah, if we’d gotten a full Florida recount in 2000 instead of the Supreme Court declaring that Bush’s state campaign chair could decide when to stop counting votes, (yes, that literally happened for those too young to remember it) Bush would have never been in position to run in 2004, but there are so many different could have beens there.

One thing I’m sure of is that if the terrorist 9-11 attack had still succeeded under President Al Gore, virtually any Republican would have won in 2004. I doubt Democrats would have pushed for or gotten the kind of unity and rally around the flag effect Republicans did, and it would have almost certainly have been seen as Gore’s failure due to his intelligence access during the Clinton years. He wouldn’t have been able to blame everything on the prior administration or the changeover as Bush did.

Edited by TheWanderer on Sep 27th 2018 at 3:28:12 PM

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#255795: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:28:42 PM

Oh gods Kav actually tried the "but one of my best friends is black is a sexual assault victim" angle.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#255796: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:32:30 PM

Yes he did.

What a dirtbag.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#255797: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:38:45 PM

This is ridiculously hard to sit through, but, gosh dang it, I can make it through his detailed summer schedule!

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#255798: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:39:48 PM

He just pulled the "I have female friends" card.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#255799: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:43:50 PM

[up]

Well, given that he's married with children, that'd be rather disturbing if it wasn't the case.

[down]

Fair point, but I think a lot of married couples would generally refer to their spouse as their best friend.

Edited by ironballs16 on Sep 27th 2018 at 3:54:47 PM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Bur from Flyover Country (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#255800: Sep 27th 2018 at 12:44:15 PM

But not girlfriends. Friends who were women. He made that quite clear, like we’re all teenagers still.


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