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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#255501: Sep 24th 2018 at 12:14:22 PM

Am I the only one who finds Rosenstein offering to resign reassuring?

He knows what is at stake, he wouldn’t offer to resign unless he was confident that either Francisco will continue on his work or that Muller is at a point where Francisco couldn’t stop him if he wanted.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#255502: Sep 24th 2018 at 12:17:17 PM

Am I the only one who finds Rosenstein offering to resign reassuring?

He knows what is at stake, he wouldn’t offer to resign unless he was confident that either Francisco will continue on his work or that Muller is at a point where Francisco couldn’t stop him if he wanted.

Huh, that's a really insightful point.

Personally, I wasn't worried before because I knew that if they tried to shut down the investigation pre-midterms it would practically guarantee a Democratic Congress and if they did it post-midterms then there would likely be a Democratic Congress in place to stop them, but this a really good point too.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#255503: Sep 24th 2018 at 1:22:54 PM

[up][up]I was thinking the same thing. If Rosenstein offered to resign, or has been discussing the subject, that means he's been making preparations for such a thing to happen and even has a form of control over the unfolding of events.

More importantly, it means that Mueller does as well.

After all, the threat of presidential intervention has existed for months. Ever since the original appointment, in fact, and has only increased as the months slipped by. For Rosenstein or Mueller to have made no preparations for such an eventuality makes absolutely no sense.

For now, it looks like Rosenstein controls the timeline, not Trump.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#255504: Sep 24th 2018 at 1:30:19 PM

[up] Personally, I'm convinced that Rosenstein is the smartest person in this entire administration, honestly. He and Mueller are probably running circles around Trump right now, and Trump doesn't even realize it.

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 24th 2018 at 4:34:41 AM

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#255505: Sep 24th 2018 at 1:40:38 PM

That's a pretty low bar though.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#255506: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:03:38 PM

Wasn't the Mueller investigation supposed to end this month?

Do not obey in advance.
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#255507: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:05:13 PM

[up]That was all just equine excrement from the Republicans trying to reassure their base and pressure the special counsel into wrapping things up.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#255509: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:20:30 PM

Yeah, there's no end point on the investigation. They've only just got started prosecuting and making deals with some of the major players in it to get more information. Until the Republicans actually get the power to stop the investigation (such as a new AAG just refusing to do anything at all with the information the investigation gives them) anything about deadlines is just bullshit they're making up.

And even then, Mueller's been pulling the very smart move of prosecuting the players on the state level, where the president can't pardon them or anything.

@Silas: Except that we don't know for sure that Rosenstein actually HAS offered to resign. Nothing in this entire kerfluffle today has convinced me of anything except that shit's going to go down on Thursday. And there's been no word from Rosenstein himself about that, so I don't know why you find something that isn't even confirmed reassuring.

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#255510: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:20:34 PM

So Rosenstein is a Schrödinger's Cat at this point?

Edited by CookingCat on Sep 24th 2018 at 2:20:21 AM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#255511: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:25:18 PM

[up] Or a Schrödinger's Deputy Attorney General, I think.

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 24th 2018 at 5:25:56 AM

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#255513: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:33:45 PM

[up][up][up][up]Because it's not out of the blue. It's easy enough to assume the worst and plan accordingly. He's got three whole days of preparation time before Thursday, and that's assuming that he hasn't been preparing ever since the news story broke a couple of days ago. That's also assuming he hasn't made contingency plans at some prior point in time given the fact he's been living under the threat of being fired for months.

At the absolute worst, he has three days preparation time. That alone tells us what a poor political operator Trump is. Given how fast things can move in the world of politics, giving an 'opponent' three days prep time is a gift.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 24th 2018 at 10:38:02 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#255514: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:38:48 PM

Sure but then if he hasn’t offered to resign than nothing has actully happened today, we’re just back to yesterday (the day before?) when the story about his wire comment broke, without even the (verbal non-binding) offer to resign there’s no story and no news.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Imca (Veteran)
#255515: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:45:15 PM

I am hearing scattered reports that this is a power play. Apparently the Trump Admin is moving Rosenstein over to Thursday because that is when the Kavanaugh hearing is about the little... gang rape... he was parley to and the actual rape he apparently committed/helped commit. They want Rosenstein to be front page news in front of that

Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#255516: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:47:52 PM

[up] Sounds depressingly exactly like something they'd do.

Angry gets shit done.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#255517: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:48:51 PM

I can't imagine how potential left-leaning voters will choose to vote in the midterms, 2020 and beyond instead of leaving the US after this.

So this is from a few pages back and this and the other posts by the same person have already been duly criticized, but I just wanted to make a small addendum:

I get the sentiment. My country is probably going to become the south american Russia in a week or so when voting day comes and I can't really do anything about it (other than voting against it, which I fully intend to, but our version of Trump is leading in the polls and is very likely to win).

I am planning to leave if I get an opportunity, but 1) our situation down here is going to be even worse than yours (I'm not saying that to downplay the very real horror and indignity of the Trump administration, I'm just saying that my country's reality really is that awful), and 2) right now I can't. I have more resources to work with than a lot of people and even I can't leave right now. There are many, many, many people living here for whom leaving is just not a possibility. Maybe they have family they need to take care of, local obligations, or just don't make enough money to make leaving the country plausible.

It's the same thing up where you live. I'm not one to say "check your privilege" or anything, but just keep in mind that it can come across as a bit insensitive to say things like this.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Sep 24th 2018 at 5:53:36 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#255518: Sep 24th 2018 at 3:04:24 PM

Careful with the idea of leaving any way.

I tried that... and its how I ended up here. :/

And right now Eruope is begining to show warning signs of the same.... I just hope they can hold out.

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#255519: Sep 24th 2018 at 3:08:29 PM

[up][up] Yeah, at least in the United States there is a solution to the disease taking over the country, unlike in many other nations (hint: it's not leaving). I'm not patriotic by any means, but letting your country be taken over by prejudice and insanity when there's an easy way to help is a big no in my book.

Edited by Grafite on Sep 24th 2018 at 11:15:41 AM

Life is unfair...
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#255520: Sep 24th 2018 at 3:14:37 PM

[up][up] I am optimistic, for a few reasons.

1. We have a different election system, which makes it easier for populists to enter the parliament, but more difficult for them to wield actual power. Frankly, what usually happens is that one of them makes it in, demonstrate its incompetence at a place where it can't do too much damage and then is forgotten.

2. We kind of check each other. It's not perfect - see Hungary and Poland - but overall it helps.

3. WWII impacted us very different than the US. I think the will to avoid something like this from happening ever again is stronger.

Hopefully it will be enough, but I think it will.

Edited by Swanpride on Sep 24th 2018 at 3:14:46 AM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#255521: Sep 24th 2018 at 3:28:42 PM

To make the obvious point, most left wing people can’t flee, left wing ideals are built around raising up the underpowered, the underpowered genrlaly don’t have the means to flee the country even if they have a desire to do so.

Fleeing because things have gotten bad requires one to have the money and opportunity to leave alongside the qualifications to get let into another country.

Fleeing the country isn’t something people in the trenches fighting for their survival do, it’s something middle class people not deeply impacted by things consider doing because they have the means.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#255522: Sep 24th 2018 at 3:40:42 PM

If nothing else, I take dark pleasure in knowing that despite everything he says, Trump is taking the "FAILING" New York Times "FAKE NEWS" at face value.

Won't take Dr. Ford seriously despite her having done nothing dishonest though. Which I guess just proves again that Trump's primary focus is on himself rather than the country.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#255523: Sep 24th 2018 at 3:44:08 PM

To make the obvious point, most left wing people can’t flee, left wing ideals are built around raising up the underpowered, the underpowered genrlaly don’t have the means to flee the country even if they have a desire to do so.

Fleeing because things have gotten bad requires one to have the money and opportunity to leave alongside the qualifications to get let into another country.

Fleeing the country isn’t something people in the trenches fighting for their survival do, it’s something middle class people not deeply impacted by things consider doing because they have the means.

Exactly this [awesome]

I can't run away and even if I could I wouldn't, contrary to the pathetic hysteria that some have uttered there is hope and while that still exists I'll do what I can to help make things better. After all, if I don't do that then what are my principles worth?

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#255524: Sep 24th 2018 at 3:53:59 PM

In other news, Mitch McConnell is still a cartoon super-villain.

3:30 p.m.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mc Connell is condemning allegations of sexual misconduct against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh as a "shameful, shameful smear campaign" created by Democrats.

Kavanaugh and his initial accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, will testify Thursday about her claim that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in high school. A second woman, Deborah Ramirez, has told The New Yorker that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her when he was in college. Kavanaugh denies both allegations.

In a fiery speech from the Senate floor on Monday, Mc Connell said Democrats are using the allegations to delay and obstruct and "destroy a man's personal and professional life." He says it's an "orchestrated, last-minute hit on the nominee."

Kavanaugh sent a defiant letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday vowing he will not withdraw his nomination.

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#255525: Sep 24th 2018 at 5:09:03 PM

[up]x8 And your version of Trump is winning.

Mod edit: violent metaphor that isn't the best choice.

Edited by nombretomado on Sep 24th 2018 at 6:29:59 AM


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