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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
You're likely to get more people on-board for gun control (whether it's large comprehensive reform, to the small background checks) for assault rifles than hand guns, despite the latter being the root of the problem.
I'd settle for a version of Japanese gun laws myself. Damn near impossible to get one, and the authorities have the right to check in unannounced.
Edited by TacticalFox88 on Sep 21st 2018 at 2:53:52 PM
New Survey coming this weekend!Any sort of hardware or feature ban is gonna leave too many loopholes to exploit.
I have to agree, best and probably most effective way to go forward is to let people own pretty much whatever.
And then make sure everything is tagged and has mountains of paperwork behind it. Bury gun ownership in bureaucracy.
I don't disagree with the idea of random check ins to make sure nobody sold their weapon illegally but at the same time I do not trust American police with the power to enter someone's home and start poking around or arresting people unannounced.
Edited by LeGarcon on Sep 21st 2018 at 2:57:43 PM
Oh really when?So I'm concerned about the NYT story posted on the previous page. It feels like the perfect opportunity for Trump to fire Rosenstein, regardless of whether it's true or not. And if that happens, the Mueller probe is in serious jeopardy.
Plus, whatever the outcome, it's an opportune diversion from the Kavanaugh controversy.
Before the midterm is probably the literal best time for us for Trump to decide to fire Rosenstein, this way it can increase the odds of a Democratic Congress which would protect the Mueller investigation.
Sure the same way that blowing your foot off will distract you from a fire on your arm, in that it won't and will make things so much worse.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2018 at 4:32:40 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang![]()
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Keep in mind that this is in situations where the person fails to report the theft, though having it apply only after a certain amount of time has passed to account for their believing they'd just misplaced it, or if the crime is committed shortly after the theft itself.
And in gun-related news, we've had 3 shootings on school property involving students so far this school-year.
- 1) Sept 5 - 15-year-old shot while watching two others fight
outside of Providence Career and Technical Academy in Providence, RI around 2 PM. He died at the hospital.
- 2) Sept. 11 - 18-year-old shot and killed on the school's baseball field at Canyon Springs High School in Las Vegas, NV
. The suspected shooter was just arrested
today.
- 3) Sept. 17 - conflicting reports, but an elementary school student at Blossomwood Elementary in Huntsville, AL was shot in the hand by a pistol
, though whether the victim was a classmate the bringer passed it to or the bringer itself is unclear from reports. The pistol itself was stolen by the father of the student that brought it in, though, and he's been charged with receiving stolen property
. Both boys are 2nd-graders.
I really, really wish I hadn't been serious about this being the 2018-2019 school shooting season back when the one happened at a preseason football game in Florida.
Edited by ironballs16 on Sep 21st 2018 at 4:34:41 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Also, I'm in favor of making RFID chips in guns mandatory, if (and if not, when) the technology is practical. I admit that I'm not an expert, but isn't it possible to put a chip in something and have it trackable on an app? Kind of like an ankle bracelet on the gun?
(But muh priiiivacy! - Shut up. This is a regulation on the militia, not a gun control measure. Second Amendment doesn't apply. You don't want your property to be trackable by law enforcement, don't own a gun, or keep it at the range at all times.)
"Exclusive: Ecuador attempted to give Assange diplomat post in Russia: document" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ecuador-assange-exclusive/exclusive-ecuador-attempted-to-give-assange-diplomat-post-in-russia-document-idUSKCN1M12R5
Is "it would cause unimaginable amounts of horror and outrage" a practical reason? Because if we're going to be aiming for quixotic gun control goals then we might as well go all the way and try to ban guns, because frankly I think it's about as likely to be implemented.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2018 at 6:09:25 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangFormer part is a myth, there not actually all that hard to get as long as you follow the proper paperwork and procedure. I owned a target air rifle, had to go through it myself.
The relitive lack of fire arms just comes from the impracticality of it. The actual enforcement of gun laws keeps criminals from using them, which means the police don't need them. The process requires you to specify why you need your fire arm, and "I just want to own one" isn't an option, creating a gun culture with much more respect for your weapon, and less rural barbie doll.
The gun control system was great, but the myth that it was a ban or near ban needs to die, especially if you want to copy it.
An easier to destroy serial number, you ever tried filing metal down in a way forensic scientists can't recover? It's near inposible compared to just breaking a chip.
Edited by Imca on Sep 21st 2018 at 3:25:18 AM
It is unbelievably easier, electronics by there nature are fragile, and an rfid chip gives it's position away by simply working.
Filing down metal is extremely hard, and requires special tools, and then even when your done forensic scientists can often undo the damage by filtering out the tool marks.
RFID is a great piece of tech, but sometimes just adding tech won't solve the issue.
Edited by Imca on Sep 21st 2018 at 3:25:13 AM
Pretty much, except with the 'benefit' of appearing horribly Orwellian and pretty much perfectly maximizing the traditional American distrust of government.
So uh... not a good idea.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2018 at 6:26:20 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang@ speedyboris: I've actually seen refutations of the NYT article on Twitter, saying that Rosenstein denies all of it (except the part about wearing a wire, which was a sarcastic suggestion he made at one point), and that the "anonymous sources" pushing this story weren't actually at the meeting in question while people who actually were deny it. It seems like another example of the NYT not properly vetting (or sourcing) a story in their desperation for readers and keeping the fake balance going for the sake of the usual breathless news reports. Also, whether or not it was meant to distract from Kavanaugh or allow for Rosenstein's firing, on the heels of that anonymous op-ed from the "resister" in the White House staff it feels like someone (Nunes?) was feeding this to the Times in a "two can play at this game" mindset.
@ Fourthspartan: There is the worry, though, that if he does fire him, something could be done to all the evidence to prevent the investigation from being resumed once the Democrats take power in January, especially during the lame duck period after the election. But presumably Mueller and Rosenstein have plans to prevent this, and with various parts of the investigation now given to other judicial departments, that should insulate most of it from any attempts to shut it down. Hopefully.
I mean... you just perfectly shut down your own assertion. Mueller and Rosenstein aren't idiots, they have the knowledge to avoid this obvious eventuality.
Not to mention that "doing something with all the evidence to prevent the investigation from being resumed" sounds like something that would be highly fucking illegal in of itself and worth investigating.
Frankly short of a coup that allows Trump to seize the media and apparatus of the state (which is not realistically possible) I don't see any plausible scenario where Trump can shut down the investigation without massive public outcry and very bad things happening to him, the investigation is here to stay.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangActualy, thinking on it more, there is another problem with the Japanese system beyond just random police checkins.
Thats that they make you do a full family background check, and the police can deny you for any reason.
Which works great for us, prevents any established family history issues....
But for the US? I quickly see it becoming the right wings dream, a Litmus test of "You must be this white to own a gun"
"Sorry but we cant let you own a gun, your dads's cousin's brother Franklin lives in an area where a gang related killing happened in the last 6 months, how do we know you aren't just going to arm the Bloods, you look rather thugish after all"
:/

I think things like the NFA and AWB would be good bargaining pieces, in that vein. Basically, you can own whatever gun you want as long as you can meet the (extremely strict) standards for firearm ownership to begin with.
Obviously that’s a pipe dream at this point though.
They should have sent a poet.