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Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#255201: Sep 21st 2018 at 8:46:27 AM

[up][up][up] Fighteer, what exactly do you mean by gun ownership not being an established, unalterable fact? I'm slightly confused about your point of view.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#255202: Sep 21st 2018 at 8:47:37 AM

[up]x5 It just seems optimistic, sometimes, to hope that legislators actually listen to experts rather than picking and choosing "experts". Especially since the GOP has done its best to get rid of every agency and department meant to supply congress with information.

Oh god now the post numbers/page numbers are broken.

Edited by RainehDaze on Sep 21st 2018 at 4:48:38 PM

Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#255203: Sep 21st 2018 at 9:15:15 AM

Edit: whoops i guess i posted it already

Edited by Friendperson on Sep 21st 2018 at 9:14:55 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#255204: Sep 21st 2018 at 9:35:25 AM

Fighteer: Just to echo what was said above, though, how is a legislator supposed to write regulations on automatic and semi-automatic weapons if they don’t know the difference between the two?

They don’t need to be experts, but they should at least do some research. Gun control is a fairly technical subject for better or for worse, and it would be good if legislators could engage those technical details a little more. Not only would that make their job easier, it would shoot down the primary form of opposition to gun control which is gun knowledge gatekeeping.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 21st 2018 at 9:35:34 AM

They should have sent a poet.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#255205: Sep 21st 2018 at 9:42:23 AM

For better or worse, America’s gun problem is at the point of no return. Hell it was too late ten years ago.

The best we can hope for is meaningful legislation that can mitigate the damage that has been caused and will be caused because of our inaction.

And with the advent of 3D printing, it’s only going to get even dicier.

We dug ourselves a hole that’s virtually impossible to climb out of

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#255206: Sep 21st 2018 at 9:47:01 AM

It’s not helpful to discuss it like it’s too late. At some point, those survivors are gonna grow up and start running, and the scumbags that threaten them are gonna become too extreme to be palatable.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#255207: Sep 21st 2018 at 9:48:10 AM

[up][up] 3D printing is really a non-issue when it comes to guns. It’s just new and scary and headline-grabbing.

They should have sent a poet.
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#255208: Sep 21st 2018 at 9:53:29 AM

Speaking of 3D printing, that guy who publicly released the blueprints for a 3D printed gun was arrested in Taiwan after he went there to escape an arrest warrant for sexual assault of a minor.

Amazing how it's never just one bad thing with these people.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#255209: Sep 21st 2018 at 9:56:42 AM

I heard about that on Taiwan news here. As if Taiwan didn't have enough shit to deal with. Still, I'm glad that asshole got arrested.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#255210: Sep 21st 2018 at 9:56:55 AM

[up][up][up] depends on what your goal is. If you just want a printed gun that only needs a few lethal shots and you don’t need nor want it long term then it’s pretty much golden for one and done criminal acts.

Edited by TacticalFox88 on Sep 21st 2018 at 12:59:22 PM

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#255211: Sep 21st 2018 at 10:12:42 AM

Things 3D printed guns are not useful for:

  • Hunting
  • Protecting somebody or something
  • Arming a combat force
  • Target practice
  • Mass shootings
  • Assassination, if you intend to get away with it.

Things 3D printed guns can be used for, but aren't really practical for:

  • Adding to your gun collection
  • Being an untraceable weapon (3D printers are not exactly common- the amount of work you'd need to put into to disguise which one it came from is probably comparable to the amount of effort it takes to smuggle a regular gun)
  • Suicide (you're not gonna just have one lying around the house; you'd have to go far enough out of your way that another suicide method would be easier)
  • Assassination, if you don't intend to get away with it.

Things 3D printed guns are useful for:

  • Creating scary headlines

Edited by Gilphon on Sep 21st 2018 at 1:21:32 PM

Friendperson Since: May, 2018
#255212: Sep 21st 2018 at 10:20:22 AM

Improvised weapons have been around forever. Anyone can make a shotgun out of some metal pipe. 3D printed firearms are almost irrelevant in comparison.

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#255213: Sep 21st 2018 at 10:51:57 AM

About the knowledge about guns issue, I've heard many complaints here about the federal assault weapons ban, saying how it was written by someone who knew nothing about guns, but the truth is it worked (it was never meant to stop violent crime) for the time it was present.

But it really seems like americans want to keep having the title of being the developed nation with most deaths due to mass shootings, even after Sandy Hook absolutely nothing was done, with 2017 being the worst so far.

Edited by Grafite on Sep 21st 2018 at 6:52:52 PM

Life is unfair...
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#255214: Sep 21st 2018 at 10:52:20 AM

Going back to Chuck Norris:

Chuck Norris sucks Mr T is better.

Hot Take I'm sure.

...Please let there not be some horrible controversy about Mr T I don't know about.

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#255215: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:18:44 AM

[up] Off-topic, dude.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#255217: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:21:45 AM

Rosenstein Suggested He Secretly Record Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment

The deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, suggested last year that he secretly record President Trump in the White House to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office for being unfit.

Mr. Rosenstein made these suggestions in the spring of 2017 when Mr. Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director plunged the White House into turmoil. Over the ensuing days, the president divulged classified intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office, and revelations emerged that Mr. Trump had asked Mr. Comey to pledge loyalty and end an investigation into a senior aide.

Mr. Rosenstein was just two weeks into his job. He had begun overseeing the Russia investigation and played a key role in the president’s dismissal of Mr. Comey by writing a memo critical of his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation. But Mr. Rosenstein was caught off guard when Mr. Trump cited the memo in the firing, and he began telling people that he feared he had been used.

Mr. Rosenstein made the remarks about secretly recording Mr. Trump and about the 25th Amendment in meetings and conversations with other Justice Department and F.B.I. officials. Several people described the episodes, insisting on anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. The people were briefed either on the events themselves or on memos written by F.B.I. officials, including Andrew G. Mc Cabe, then the acting bureau director, that documented Mr. Rosenstein’s actions and comments.

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Disasturbator
#255218: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:22:01 AM

I pity the fool that goes off topic

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#255219: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:27:02 AM

[up]x5 I brought Chuck Norris up a couple pages ago in relation to politics, so that's how it fits in.

Mr. T was always a highlight whenever he was on Late Night with Conan O'Brien.

Edited by speedyboris on Sep 21st 2018 at 1:26:33 PM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#255220: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:28:57 AM

It’s not helpful to discuss it like it’s too late. At some point, those survivors are gonna grow up and start running, and the scumbags that threaten them are gonna become too extreme to be palatable.

[tup]

Well said. Yes the damage has been done but that is not the same thing as it being too late, as long as there is life there is the possibility that things can get better and it's not helpful to claim otherwise without significant evidence.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2018 at 2:28:25 PM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#255221: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:37:16 AM

Tactical: The thing is, you could also build a zip gun out of hardware store parts. The threat of homemade guns isn’t any greater now that you can 3D print one.

Grafite: The effectiveness of the AWB is debatable. It regulates by feature, which is overly complex and doesn’t really stop people from still getting those weapons. For example, New York uses the same system. Under that system, this [1] is illegal and this [2] is legal, despite the differences only being cosmetic. It would make far more sense to regulate by individual firearm the way many European countries do. People usually say the AWB was written by someone who didn’t know guns because it essentially only regulated certain cosmetic features, particularly ones that give a weapon a “military” appearance.

[down] I believe it should be a privilege, not a right. A privilege that’s very conditional.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 21st 2018 at 11:44:17 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#255222: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:39:13 AM

I think that drawing a distinction between semi-automatic and automatic weapons is a bit of a Red Herring. The key question is whether private (individual) ownership of firearms should be a right at all. My point is that getting drawn into a debate over firing modes and cosmetic features and similar things is a losing game for gun control advocates, since it's inherently conceding that guns have a place in civilian society.

To draw a somewhat vague analogy, it's like arguing over which torture methods we should allow our intelligence operatives to employ.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 21st 2018 at 2:42:44 PM

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#255223: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:41:04 AM

Suicide (you're not gonna just have one lying around the house; you'd have to go far enough out of your way that another suicide method would be easier)

That's true. One of the best deterrents for suicide is minor inconvenience. It's an impulse move easily thwarted by having two seconds to really think about what you're doing, which is why even something as simple as a sign telling people to beware of an edge does wonders for prevention.

I have to imagine that someone impatiently bouncing from foot to foot waiting for their gun to print would have a lot of time to think.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#255224: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:41:31 AM

The key question is whether private (individual) ownership of firearms should be a right at all. My point is that getting drawn into a debate over firing modes and cosmetic features and similar things is a losing game for gun control advocates, since it's inherently conceding the belief that guns have a place in civilian society.
The problem is, thanks to the Second Amendment, they do, or are at least widely believed to, and that isn't changing anytime soon.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 21st 2018 at 12:41:27 PM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#255225: Sep 21st 2018 at 11:44:51 AM

Vastly more people die to handguns than to AR-16 knockoffs, yet both gun control advocates and gun rights advocates have distracted us with arguments about "assault rifles". Again, whether you believe that the Second Amendment should allow private gun ownership or not (and it is settled law for the time being), we're having the wrong debate, and the right is completely happy to engage in it.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 21st 2018 at 2:45:06 PM

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