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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
It's nice to see Flake finally putting his money where his mouth is, for a guy who's an outspoken critic of Trump (and retiring) he has been remarkably reticent to actually do anything.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
He has not done anything, yet. Like Collins and Murkowski, wait until the votes are tallied before giving them a shred of credit-until then, their words are worth less than nothing; at least the rest of the GOP makes no bones about how badly they want to oppress and kill people.
Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Sep 16th 2018 at 9:07:29 AM
Yeah, the basic rule with the current Republican party is: "They're lying except when they're not." If Flake does something useful, I'll be surprised.
And the hell of it is, the Republicans could boot Trump and be hailed as heroes for it by the both-siders and the self-declared independents. Even if the Democrats do well in the next two elections, there's a good chance the Republicans will be back in two or less years. The retiring Republicans could save actual lives and won't do shit.
Just like with Flake, I'm holding my breath, but it would actually be nice if they were true to their word. Basically what
said when it comes to Republicans and disagreeing with something, only to vote for it anyways.
Edited by DingoWalley1 on Sep 16th 2018 at 10:05:28 AM
Ehh. It's in their political interests to have the confirmation after the midterms, because that way they can use it to motivate their base. That's probably why they've let it get pushed back this far.
Let's not give them moral credit for this; even in the unlikely scenario where Kavanaugh goes down, it's not like Trump is gonna nominate somebody reasonable instead. And nor is it like the Democrats will be able to stall for another two full years.
Technically, if the Democrats take the Senate (unlikely, but possible), then they can legitimately stall any and all Court Nominees for 2 years, especially if they're extreme like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. There's also historical precedent; when Andrew Johnson became President, the Radical Republicans literally removed 2 Seats on the Supreme Court just to keep him from getting any Seats filled.
Let's not give them moral credit for this; even in the unlikely scenario where Kavanaugh goes down, it's not like Trump is gonna nominate somebody reasonable instead. And nor is it like the Democrats will be able to stall for another two full years.
Considering how post-midterms there is a very real chance that there will be a Democratic or tied Senate I think you're mistaken about it being in their political interests to wait.
If they delay this in anyway then I feel safe calling it a moral move, politically the wisest move for them is to push through his confirmation right now hence why the Republicans have been so secretive about it and have been rushing it through.
If Flake and Co decide to do otherwise then I think that's something worthy of praise and respect.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 16th 2018 at 10:43:26 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangDon't put any faith in Flake. He was the most hated senator in 2013 when he promised families in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting that he would vote for gun control and background checks and that he wouldn't allow himself to be influenced by the NRA right before he voted to filibuster said background check bill. He's a liar and a cad.
That's my point. He didn't actually have to change it overmuch.
The Supreme Court can't just put "Absolutely not 'cause I said so" as a reason of rejection. They actually have to give a rationale for which specific pieces of the legislature are unconstitutional and why. They didn't send it back with the words "F*ck No" stamped on it; they said, "This is unconstitutional because of this, this, and this."
The Administration then took those specific quibble points the court was clinging to in order to reject the bill and tweaked them just enough for another go. And they kept doing that until the Supreme Court didn't have any quibble points they could use to block it.
That's the point. If the Supreme Court rejects single-payer, it's not going to come back with "Not in MUH AMERICA, MOTHERF*CKERS" as the ruling. The ruling will say things like, "Article 6, subsection B uses the unacceptably vague terminology of "some" where a more precise measurement is required."
So you go back to the table, you tweak the bill so they don't have a leg to stand on anymore, and then you send it in for another go.
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The court’s liberals denounced the decision. In a passionate and searing dissent from the bench, Justice Sonia Sotomayor said the decision was no better than Korematsu v. United States, the 1944 decision that endorsed the detention of Japanese-Americans during World War II.
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She’s still a nightmare, albeit not to Kavanaugh’s level.
Edited by wisewillow on Sep 16th 2018 at 1:27:15 PM
Jaws is thematically similar to a famous play which is notably quite relevant to this day. AN ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE by Henrik Ibsen which is shockingly relevant to this day. You can read the TV tropes of the play but the short version is that there's a tourist town which is going to open to massive success with hot springs but the hot springs have been contaminated and will kill people. The local scientist tries to point this out and how to fix it, only for him to get run out of town.
The thing is that the hot springs are STILL poisoned and denying the problem won't make it go away.
Does This Remind You of Anything??
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 16th 2018 at 11:38:22 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I’d note that even if this nomination falls though and the Dems take the senate, the Republicans could try and speed run another nominee though between November (the elections) and January (when the new senate is seated).
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

We should all hold our breath, but this might be good for us if Flake holds onto his word (which, again, we should hold our breath on).
Still, the simple fact it's a Republican Senator doing this ought to be worth noting.
Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 16th 2018 at 6:45:21 AM